Removing E:R from Harry’s Uniform

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I am certainly not one of H&M’s fans but I think that for someone to actually remove the ER initials from his military uniform for the vigil was beyond petty.

The decision was made to allow him to wear a military uniform, fine, Andrew was also given permission but to take the time and trouble to remove the Queen’s initials from the epaulettes was, I think, really childish. I know he has chosen to not be a working Royal but the initals were left on Andrew’s epaulettes so why were Harry’s removed?

Apart from anything else, this will just add grist to the mill of H&M’s litany of complaints but for once, I think they’d be justified in being upset by this.

Expect I’ll be flamed for this and there are many more important things going on in the world but I do think this was a snotty thing to do to Harry.

See my later post Zoom101 - it was reported earlier this year that Andrew remained an Honorary ADC to his Mother.

(I also have read that there was a technical rule change a couple of years ago about the ADC insignia, meaning that Andrew had held the role as at a certain date he was allowed to wear them still as a retired officer. Harry’s was (a) past that cut-off date and (b) he resigned rather than retired so it didn’t apply to him.)

SpinCityBlues if the story really came from Harry I don’t think it reflects well on him, in that he was:

• Allowed to wear an army unform that he is not entitled to wear as per army rules; and
• Allowed to keep a beard that he is not permitted to wear as per army rules.

And, despite all that he was so pissed off about not his uniform no longer having the insignia of a role he no longer held that he considered just wearing a morning suit rather than the uniform. That’s not really a good look, you know.

It will be something to do with the fact that Harry resigned his position as personal aide but when Andrew was made a non working royal things were done differently.

You know, even in non enrolled families there is a recognised status difference between children and grandchildren...Its right that Andrew should be recognised as a son of his mother and therefore of greater familial relationship.

I really wish Harry would stop constantly whingeing. He has an immense personal fortune, the ability to earn every year an additional fortune out of reach of 99% of the world's population. He can walk into a highly paid, part time job on the basis on his name alone. He has never really had to work for anything in his entire life. He lives - and has always lived - a life of unimaginable luxury and by virtue of nothing but an accident of birth has an enormous global public profile that opens a huge number of doors for him.

He is so hugely out of touch, it's unreal.

*ennobled

Harry’s camp, of course…

Feelings are more important than protocol?

OK so all the ex-servicemen and women who were queuing to pay their respects and wanted to wear their uniforms but weren’t allowed to, should also have been able to wear them? Even though it’s against protocol?

The rules are very important and are part of the stability of our nation in the 70 years of the reign of the late Queen and before that.. it was nothing petty abohut this and I am sure Harry had solicitors advising him on all the implications when he entered into the agreement to stop down. Nothing should be a surprise to him. Unlike his brother and father he did not go to university and I don't think he did too well in school so he might through no fault of his own simply find it all a bit hard to understand.

Thanks for the clarity on this, @Serenster.

I am guessing Harry said something to the dailymail. Is that right? Eye roll

Allowed to keep a beard that he is not permitted to wear as per army rules

So Harry was supposed to shave because he wore a uniform, under special dispensation mind you, for 30 minutes, 15 of those in public? So even though he is not actually in the army, he should have followed army rules for those few minutes?

You lot are batshit crazy!

This makes Harrylook spoilt, selfish and desperately immature.

Andrew still holds the role that entitles him to wear the initials, Harry gave up the role so he's not entitled to wear the initials.

Harry's not the victim he thinks he is. If he was that 'heartbroken' he could have worn the morning suit he'd planned to but of course he didn't. He was given permission to wear a uniform and it's still not enough for him.

As to who leaked it - it does look like Harry's camp, although why they thought it would be considered by the public sympathetically is beyond me. He is a man who is never happy and no-one can do enough for him.

It does seem petty.

It's been explained upthread.

Thanks for the explanation @Serenster

Petty from whom? Has Harry said something about it?

90% of the stories about PH and what his emotional reaction to anything is are utter bollocks

Unless it came directly from his mouth I’d completely ignore anything like this which is just the media trying to whip up some column inches

See also the headline that said PH was “furious” that his children wouldn’t be given HRH status - utter made up crap

You'd have thought that petty grievances might be irrelevant for M&H this week. Apparently not. So disappointing. I used to like Harry a lot. Mind you, I thought he didn't talk to the press so maybe it is someone shit stirring.

Have a look at Serenster's explanation upthread.
It's the OP claiming it's petty.

That’s not true at all.

If you retire from or leave the armed forces you’re no longer allowed to wear your uniform unless you’ve been given an honorary appointment or had been authorised to wear it.

I doubt Prince Harry has said anything at all about this. His mind will be on bigger things. It will be the shit stirrers causing trouble again. It’s disgusting that they can’t leave him alone when his granny has just died.

A question to you all:

Harry and Meghan sued the Daily Mail and Mail on Sunday won. They also announced that they would not include the Daily Mail, Sun, Express etc in their press briefings. Any interview with Harry reveals how much he loathes the tabloid press.

So why are people so ready to believe the he actually talked to a newspaper he hates?

Do people really not see that they are being manipulated as part of the Daily Mail's vendetta?

I ask this with the very greatest of resect: are people just too biased, or too thick, that they would believe anything the Daily Mail says about Harry or Meghan?

Harrys reaction is made up by the press. They have no idea what he is thinking.

The modifications could have been made many months ago by whichever part of the royal household looks after and maintains the uniforms….when he effectively gave up the role.

No doubt Omid Scobie will be along soon to clarify….

I think people are so ready to hate a pantomime villain that they just believe anything they read.

I really don't care about any of them, but I do find it astonishing that so many people on MN are filled with such hatred for Harry - a person they do not know and about whom their judgments are bad on media "facts" - that they will continue to lambast him for doing something even after it had been pointed out that what he did was correct. And then drag his wife into it as if somehow that explains everything!

And all call him shallow, petty and a liar, etc., etc. Pot...kettle...black? There are plenty of people on here who are twice as bad as anything you accuse him of. If you don't like him, his brother, his uncle, his father, or any other of his relations, why spend so much time and vitriol on them. It's sad to see how many people allow this "upper class Eastenders" eat their lives and their souls with such nastiness.

Presumably people who dislike Harry are saying this came from Harry so they can keep up their narrative of disliking Harry, and try to persuade others to their cause? You can already see on this thread people treating that as if it is fact - it’s bizarre.