Removing E:R from Harry’s Uniform

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I am certainly not one of H&M’s fans but I think that for someone to actually remove the ER initials from his military uniform for the vigil was beyond petty.

The decision was made to allow him to wear a military uniform, fine, Andrew was also given permission but to take the time and trouble to remove the Queen’s initials from the epaulettes was, I think, really childish. I know he has chosen to not be a working Royal but the initals were left on Andrew’s epaulettes so why were Harry’s removed?

Apart from anything else, this will just add grist to the mill of H&M’s litany of complaints but for once, I think they’d be justified in being upset by this.

Expect I’ll be flamed for this and there are many more important things going on in the world but I do think this was a snotty thing to do to Harry.

At no point have I indulged in speculation as to what went on behind closed doors at the palace, to which you have just devoted an entire paragraph. I haven’t the remotest idea and neither have you,

No idea what ‘experienced adult spouse’ is supposed to mean. I have no more interest in your silly questions than your opinions, sorry.

That you appear to equate K’s hassle from the paparazzi with the full scale racial and misogynist abuse that M received from the media and sm is a marker of that silliness.

I haven’t engaged in speculation either. Here’s Meghan, in the Oprah interview:

M: After we had gotten back from our Australia tour — which was about a year before that — and we talked about when things really started to turn, when I knew we weren’t being protected. And it was during that part of my pregnancy, especially, that I started to understand what our continued reality was going to look like.

Oprah: What kind of protection did you want that you feel you didn’t receive?

Meghan: I mean, they would go on the record and negate the most ridiculous story for anyone, right? I’m talking about things that are super-artificial and inconsequential. But the narrative about, you know, making Kate cry, I think was the beginning of a real character assassination. And they knew it wasn’t true. And I thought, well, if they’re not going to kill things like that, then what are we going to do?

Harry then said:

Harry: But it really changed after the Australia tour, after our South Pacific tour . . .  it was also the first time that the family got to see how incredible she is at the job. And that brought back memories [of the 4th series of the Crown]

Oprah: Where your father and your mother went [to Australia], and your mother was bedazzling. So, are you saying that there were hints of jealousy?

Harry: Look, I just wish that we would all learn from the past. But to see the . . . to see how effortless it was for Meghan to come into the family so quickly in Australia and across New Zealand, Fiji and Tonga, and just be able to connect with people in such a . . .

I summarised that, quite accurately, as “Meghan and Harry have told us that the Palace stopped protecting them because the other members of the family were jealous of how successful their tour of Australia and New Zealand had been”.

So not speculating at all. I could go on…

Speculation = theory or conjecture without hard evidence.

M is talking about her life, you are wittering about stuff you read in the media, do you see the difference?

You clearly need to find someone with whom you can share your obsession with M. I am not that person. Ok?

As ever, don’t like the answer, so take a swipe at the poster.

Yup.

@Serenster

great response as always.

Can someone please link the statement of support from William. Because I'm aware of him supporting footballers against racism, but I never heard him say anything about racism against his sister in law.

The statement I saw, was clearly from Harry.

This is what I can find on it.

Looks like it was a statement released by a spokesperson rather than an ‘official’ one?

It was reported in various media at the time.

William’s statement

it doesn’t mention racism per se, but it talks about “abuse” and “invasion of privacy” It was issued in support of Harry. I’m sure there will be comments noting that it does not explicitly mention racism 🙄

To say that H&M did not go into details about the racism, MH, leaks or any of those things they said on Oprah on the SR website sound silly to me.

They did not go into details about why they wanted to earn their own money.

For us as a public, we saw that the media and public were worked up about the Frogmore renovations. Despite the fact that we paid for the quoted amount of needed renovations, and H&M paid for any top ups.

I do recall at the time that the financial report came out, that Chris Ship asked why is Frogmore at the top of the list. Personally, I think it was done deliberately, to highlight it. The palace knew and were briefing against H&M at that time.

The other poster saying they pay for their own renovation. They don't. KP renovations were paid by us, as well as the £1M driveway.

This.

Harry didn’t speak out when Kate had was constantly being picked on by the press, so it’s a bit weird that he would expect William to get involved?

William is the boss.

He was the boss of KP.
If it comes from him or Charles, the heirs, it takes precedent over what H says.

Before that statement, in fact, I don't recall Harry having any power to even release his own statements. But things got so bad.

If the press is attacking KM. Charles and HMQ would be more listened to, if W is not. Not that I recall W telling anyone to back down from KM.

The best H could do was publicly show support for KM, show she is welcome, which he did very well.

I wasn’t on MN at that time so can’t comment on threads. The negativity started later.

If you weren't here, how do you know the negativity started later ?

Well, it didn't anyway.

OMG, I remember this one. It was called 'cackhanded' or some such. Didn't someone even say they were writing to social services to report her for putting Archie at risk. Talks of how she was about to trip on the dog lead. Even the company of the babycarrier had to write and say she was carrying it correctly.

Yes, I also remember the knockoff MN site that tanked. They came back here, and tried to hide under Other MN staff or some forum.

Crazy times.

Yeah, MM was only hated after OW interview? Posters are trying to rewrite history.

In fact it bored me.

Nowhere did M or H say the protection stopped from jealousy.

Oprah asked if there were “hints of jealousy” which was not answered. H simply said “I wish we would all learn from the past”.

So jealousy is speculative. That protection stopped from jealousy was not said by anyone anywhere - thus such a claim is either deluded or a lie. At a most basic GCSE level your précis would fail.

This is just tedious now, I’m done.

Totally agree with both posts; although I personally don't remember any hate for her before they sensationally quit, I'm sure there was plenty online.

Many people do scrape the very bottom of the barrell trying to find things to attack her for - its bullying, plain and simple.

I remember the baby bump threads, the birth threads, the are you ok threads and mocking, the anger at them stepping down and making their own way, the anger at them making their own way (all the deals have happened since), the anger about Frogmore, then more anger when they paid it back - all of this (this is all from memory so don’t remember when the deals were) was before Oprah. I believe that the OW interview may have turned some people but it is a rewriting of history to say that the majority of people who go on about them did so after the interview.

He was about 21 at the time of the Waity Katie nonsense. But he should've spoken out??
Of course William and/or Charles should have been involved.

Exactly.
There was huge disgust at the cost of Frogmore (whilst ignoring all the other Royals and their massive costly renovations) and people were harping on about them paying it back.
Then they did. That went down like a cup of cold sick.
Huge hidden annoyance that had happened and such a shifting of goalposts it was untrue. Let's find something else then...

Some of the worst were when she read a story to Archie. I was shocked at the comments. He wasn't interested in her as a Mum, he was trying to wriggle away (he was 11 months old), he wasn't engaging with her which meant she was only reading to him to show off, the fact he wore a babygro and his nappy was obviously full (who knows) because he would have serious issues when he was older to be filmed sat on her lap with a full nappy, then a start on his appearance. Just revolting.

There is always something to find to criticise if that is your thing.

Genuine question, Roussette - unless I’ve missed something, none of the posters you are currently conversing with on these topics are bringing up these kind of issues (the bump touching, the baby carrier, the story reading etc etc) so why on earth are you dredging them up now? Just rehashing old grievances for the sake of it?

No.

If you have been following this thread and another one, there are a number of posters who are insisting that the criticism of Meghan only started after the OW interview.

The only way to illustrate that that is not the case is to 'dredge up' (as you so quaintly put it) examples of the vitriol that take place before OW.
So please do not say I am rehashing old grievances for the sake of it thanks.

As @skullbabe says, it is a convenient rewriting of history.

Oh yes, I do remember the full nappy one. Apparently someone had never seen a bio nappy before. I remember it because I used Naty brand for my DS, and they always looked a bit lumpy (and a bit brownish stain to make it worse 😂 something about using the plant they were using - corn, I think, also they did not bleach them) fortunately for me, everyone I knew was using those.

But I remember thinking at the time that if you've never used one, it would look strange. Same time I was surprised at how adamant posters were about something they knew nothing about.

There were so many things, feeling inexplicably very strong against the couple too.