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Removing E:R from Harry’s Uniform

449 replies

Zoom101 · 18/09/2022 12:07

I am certainly not one of H&M’s fans but I think that for someone to actually remove the ER initials from his military uniform for the vigil was beyond petty.

The decision was made to allow him to wear a military uniform, fine, Andrew was also given permission but to take the time and trouble to remove the Queen’s initials from the epaulettes was, I think, really childish. I know he has chosen to not be a working Royal but the initals were left on Andrew’s epaulettes so why were Harry’s removed?

Apart from anything else, this will just add grist to the mill of H&M’s litany of complaints but for once, I think they’d be justified in being upset by this.

Expect I’ll be flamed for this and there are many more important things going on in the world but I do think this was a snotty thing to do to Harry.

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LAWinterofOurDiscountTents · 18/09/2022 13:57

Mummyoflittledragon · 18/09/2022 13:53

He isn’t entitled to wear the military uniform.

He's entitled to wear whatever the fuck Daddy tells him to wear. That's how royalty works.

Floralei · 18/09/2022 13:58

I doubt very much that Harry instructed anyone to leak that he was devastated about his uniform being correct. He knows he wasn’t ADC any more and would have looked wrong if his uniform wasn’t right. He was dressed appropriately for the occasion. I can’t see how he would be “heartbroken” about that.

Farmerazza · 18/09/2022 13:58

Readinginthesun · 18/09/2022 12:17

If that’s the case it does seem a bit petty but who on earth noticed and went to the bother of informing the media ?

Clearly the very people leaking the stories are the people creating them in the first place. The palace Aides. I am not surprised Prince Charles has fired a large number of people.

itsgettingweird · 18/09/2022 14:00

MrsMaxDeWinter · 18/09/2022 13:28

A question to you all:

Harry and Meghan sued the Daily Mail and Mail on Sunday won. They also announced that they would not include the Daily Mail, Sun, Express etc in their press briefings. Any interview with Harry reveals how much he loathes the tabloid press.

So why are people so ready to believe the he actually talked to a newspaper he hates?

Do people really not see that they are being manipulated as part of the Daily Mail's vendetta?

I ask this with the very greatest of resect: are people just too biased, or too thick, that they would believe anything the Daily Mail says about Harry or Meghan?

👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

Floralei · 18/09/2022 14:01

And I can’t get my head round anyone being infuriated by 2 men who served in the armed forces being allowed to wear uniform for a ceremonial activity where their siblings/aunt/ uncle are wearing one for honorary and also ceremonial reasons. A) nothing to do with any of us B) they saw active service and C) who gives a shit about CLOTHES. They’re clothes! Not medals! Or taxpayers allowances or criminal convictions or anything that matters. Of all the things to get irate about online, what people are wearing is not something that annoys me.

diddl · 18/09/2022 14:02

that that is why the Queen changed this status quo for when Charlotte was born

It still doesn't alter the fact that Charlotte is a "spare" though & that Charles, William & George will have the bond of being monarch.

Charlotte at least has Louis to bond with as the "spares" & the Middleton family who they all seem close to.

Surtsey · 18/09/2022 14:02

FFS. When will this petty shit-stirring by the media ever end?

Farmerazza · 18/09/2022 14:03

LAWinterofOurDiscountTents · 18/09/2022 13:52

I amazed at how many of you are taking the Daily sodding Mail as gospel! Are you always this gullible?

They all are.

Riapia · 18/09/2022 14:03

Meghan should have put him some on with a felt tip, when she checked if he needed a wee before he went out.

WinifridSanderson · 18/09/2022 14:05

itsgettingweird · 18/09/2022 13:57

There's a big part of me that feels such empathy for Harry.

Hear me out Grin

He was born into a situation where he was always the second best- the spare to the heir. His lower place in the pecking order was something he would never be able to undo. We often read threads here about the damaging impact of being the sibling of a golden child and the dynamics reflect this situation.

That's not to say I agree with a lot of his behaviour - just I can see where it stemmed from.

His father was the direct heir so that automatically meant his dad and brother had something in common.

He then lost his mum who was the one who he had on his side. I also don't agree with a lot of her behaviour but as far as Harry was concerned she was his rock and constant and the one he had the stuff in common with.

They became a family of 3 heavily supported by his grandmother - the queen. He was very close to his grandfather though. (Seeing the theme?)

So everything that happens to remind him he's not equal is another thing that reminds him of his unequal position due to birth.

I believe (although I have no proof of this obviously!) that that is why the Queen changed this status quo for when Charlotte was born. She saw the damage this positioning children could do (and perhaps saw that Anne would have made a much better Queen than Andrew would king!) and wanted to end it.

The whole dynamics of the RF and their birthright positions and related wealth is something they grow up knowing.

But as they say - money doesn't buy you happiness.

And I also think this continual need to make more and more money indicates that Harry still isn't a happy man.

Completely agree with this and was thinking the same just yesterday. I’m also a second child and eldest is a bit of a golden child. Luckily I have more siblings so not so lonely. Also not in RF obvs 😂

meercat23 · 18/09/2022 14:05

ShirleyPhallus · 18/09/2022 13:26

90% of the stories about PH and what his emotional reaction to anything is are utter bollocks

Unless it came directly from his mouth I’d completely ignore anything like this which is just the media trying to whip up some column inches

See also the headline that said PH was “furious” that his children wouldn’t be given HRH status - utter made up crap

I agree. It is much more likely to be some journalist speculating about PH's reactions to create column inches. I think this week of all weeks he has other things to think about.

WinifridSanderson · 18/09/2022 14:06

Farmerazza · 18/09/2022 14:03

They all are.

But the original story was in The Times.

imnotapensioneryet · 18/09/2022 14:08

Fucking hell.

The world is literally burning and you're debating this petty shit?

I despair.

Fracking is just about to restart in this country. Maybe get cross about that ?

PinkTonic · 18/09/2022 14:09

Serenster · 18/09/2022 12:52

It’s neither petty nor spiteful, it was because they related to a role that he no longer has.

Harry was only entitled to the ER badges on his epaulettes because he was appointed a personal Aide de Camp to his grandmother. He was appointed to this position in October 2018 (so, if you see pictures of him in his uniform at the wedding, below, he didn’t have them then either).

After Harry left the Royal Family and ceased to hold his honorary positions, he also ceased to hold his role as ADC. His father granted him dispensation to wear his uniform for the vigil, but obviously he wasn’t reappointed to the ADC role (his grandmother being dead, she obviously couldn’t reappoint him…), so he didn’t have the badges on his epaulettes.

This.

You’re supposed to think it’s petty and mean and spiteful etc. That’s why it was leaked. You’re being manipulated.

ShirleyPhallus · 18/09/2022 14:10

notimagain · 18/09/2022 13:42

And actually feelings are more important than protocol sometimes.

Sometimes that may well be true for many in civilian life but that's rarely the case in the military....goes with the territory etc...

What's grinding a lot of gears with veterans is that just like them Harry must know the protocols with regard to the wearing of uniform by junior officers who have resigned, he must know how those protocols relate to wearing of uniform, insignia and facial hair 🙄but suddenly (if rumours/leaks are to be believed) he thinks they shouldn't apply to him.

Why would anyone believe the rumours?

Surtsey · 18/09/2022 14:11

Mummyoflittledragon · 18/09/2022 13:53

He isn’t entitled to wear the military uniform.

His dad is Commander-in-Chief of the armed forces. If his dad wants to change the rules, then he can. End of.

BreadInCaptivity · 18/09/2022 14:17

Well I'm sure we will all find out H's truth about this in his biography.

If he was upset about this then frankly he needs to get a grip (as do all the posters casting scorn for anyone believing the Daily Mail, when it's the Sunday Times who broke the story).

ShoesCoatandBag · 18/09/2022 14:17

Neither of them should have been in military uniforms. Harry definitely isn’t entitled to wear it and he should have shaved the beard. Peter Philips wore a suit so should have prince Harry.

Bagzzz · 18/09/2022 14:18

No idea whether Harry cares, did or didn’t make a statement, want a leak. Also whether the uniform was altered at the time of the change.

I would only really be interested in whether current armed forces or veterans, and maybe family of those killed would care, (of course a massive group anyway so that will vary.) I wonder if there a soldiers who served at the same level that would have liked to be in uniform to honour a grandparent who served but know they can’t? Alternatively do they just think this is petty when Harry actually served in the forces unlike some of the others wearing the uniform? (And a range of views between.)

Fluffymule · 18/09/2022 14:19

WinifridSanderson · 18/09/2022 14:06

But the original story was in The Times.

Well tbf, Harry and Meghan both said they didn't brief to Omid Scobie too. Which turned out (in court) to not be true.

I read the story by Roya Nikkhah in The Sunday Times, not the Mail, but I agree that Harry won't be 'talking' to the Tabloids himself. Like all the Royals, if there's a story he wants to put out he will have his favoured route, perhaps Scobie, perhaps not. Not saying he fed the press the 'devastated and considered mourning suit instead' line himself this time. Could have been anyone.

I think all of them, Royals, Courtiers and hangers on in general should just stop with any behaviour that distracts or encourages the press who will jump on any clickbait worthy titbits they can exploit.

The press will do what they always do which is shit-stir and create froth and frenzy to drive traffic to their sites. The Royals can't change that but they can try and limit it, particular at this time of mourning for The Queen, by behaving in less self absorbed and serving ways and being indiscreet about it.

caringcarer · 18/09/2022 14:21

The Queen took ADC from Harry but not Andrew. The Queen decided who had it as her aid. Harry will always find something to wingh about. Harry was a lower grade than Andrew so he as a former Captain is not entitled to wear military uniform after leaving army and resigning from service. Above a certain grade you can wear it after leaving. Same with title Captain you can't keep Major you can. It is not a snub to Harry or even personal, just military rules. No doubt Sussexes will be giving interviews on near future complaining Harry was snubbed. Even though I detest Andrew, you don't hear him whinging all the time.

ImAvingOops · 18/09/2022 14:23

If ex servicemen and women want to wear their uniforms to honour the Queen, I honestly can't see the harm in it. Maybe protocol needs to change a bit.
Having the ER removed probably did feel like a kick in the teeth. Harry doesn't strike me as especially bright - leaving the RF and having M run amok on Oprah has probably cost him more than he initially realised.

Mummyoflittledragon · 18/09/2022 14:23

Surtsey · 18/09/2022 14:11

His dad is Commander-in-Chief of the armed forces. If his dad wants to change the rules, then he can. End of.

I did not say otherwise. The question was around protocol.

DeeofDenmark · 18/09/2022 14:23

Zoom101 · 18/09/2022 12:29

I certainly didn’t notice it and read the story inThe Times but I did notice it on King Charles’ uniform when he and his siblings did their vigil. I had never really thought about their military uniforms in detail before but was a bit surprised that it hadn’t been changed to C:R as, presumably, the Armed Forces are under KC’s watch now.

Hopefully, someone can explain if this will happen and if so, when.

I think the ER will be changed to CR, but it needs to be changed on every single uniform in all the forces which doesn’t happen overnight. Is it hand embroidered?

caringcarer · 18/09/2022 14:24

Sick of Harry trying to make everything about him.

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