Removing E:R from Harry’s Uniform

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I am certainly not one of H&M’s fans but I think that for someone to actually remove the ER initials from his military uniform for the vigil was beyond petty.

The decision was made to allow him to wear a military uniform, fine, Andrew was also given permission but to take the time and trouble to remove the Queen’s initials from the epaulettes was, I think, really childish. I know he has chosen to not be a working Royal but the initals were left on Andrew’s epaulettes so why were Harry’s removed?

Apart from anything else, this will just add grist to the mill of H&M’s litany of complaints but for once, I think they’d be justified in being upset by this.

Expect I’ll be flamed for this and there are many more important things going on in the world but I do think this was a snotty thing to do to Harry.

I don’t look at Twitter or most social media. No doubt there are lots of people spouting vitriol on there. Amongst the general public and people I know and have spoken to, there was joy and positivity around the wedding and engagement. Social media is full of nutters and extremists, If you believe that SM is representative of ordinary people, it would be truly depressing. I wasn’t on MN at that time so can’t comment on threads. The negativity started later.

Is it necessary to swear? I had to ponder you meant by monolith in that context.

So do you believe that if the media had been wholly positive, they would have stayed and been happy ? I don’t think the life suited Meghan at all. She hated the restrictions and expectations of Royal life. She wanted everything on her terms.

Again, what’s that got to do with me saying some people liked her at the start, and changed their mind after Oprah? And that there’s not one single opinion on her?

Some people still like her, and will defend her at every turn.

I don’t get your point? So, um, okay?

Because she’d already been bullied out of the country by the time she appeared on Oprah.

Now who’s being disingenuous…

I’m going to break it down for you.
Slowly…

Some people disliked her from the start.
Some people only started to dislike her after Oprah.
Some people still like now.

You’re attempting to use the first group as proof that the second group doesn’t exist.

That’s not logical.

I don’t think the press needed to be wholly positive just not bullying.

Do I think they would have stayed - I’ve no idea. I’d have thought if they’d intended to leave they would have announced that before the wedding. Equally, there seems to have been machinations within the palace that Charles, keen to be seen to slim down the monarchy, wanted to make a clear dividing line between his heir and not heir. That may have played its part.

I couldn’t possibly speculate as far as you have on MM’s motivations as I’ve never met her and neither have you.

No I’m not, this is just more disingenuousness. Or perhaps you genuinely don’t get it.

The bullying bulk was sufficient to prompt them to leave the country before MM ever talked to Oprah.

That there is, in addition, a range of views from disliked her from the start, liked her then disliked her, to still liking her - goes without saying.

Is it necessary to swear? I had to ponder you meant by monolith

You didn't seem to mind when I was being called a "cunt" earlier in the thread. In fact you kind of joined in with that person and backed them during that particular discussion. It's no matter but I'm not keen on hypocrisy

The end part is literally all my post said.

You called me disingenuous, was twattish about my phrasing, and now you’re still calling me disingenuous, whilst seeming agreeing with me?

Lol, WTAF, I’m lost 🤣🙈

Please explain what’s different between

I think some people hated them (her) from the start, and think she can do no right.
Some people will defend them no matter what, and think they can do no wrong.
Some people liked her, then went off her after Oprah etc.
Some people weren’t fans, then became more sympathetic after Oprah.

And probably a whole lot in between.
Theres no monolith of opinion I don’t think

and

That there is, in addition, a range of views from disliked her from the start, liked her then disliked her, to still liking her - goes without saying

I don’t think you even know what you’re arguing at this point

Because she’d already been bullied out of the country by the time she appeared on Oprah.

Tellingly, when they first announced they were leaving, “being bullied out of the country” wasn’t the reason why. It was because they wanted to use their positions to make their own private money, which they couldn’t do as working royals. It was only after they were told that this wouldn’t be possible that their story changed.

I don’t really know what it is you’re struggling with.

You claimed there was no ‘monolith’ of opinion.

I said: The bullying bulk was sufficient to prompt them to leave the country

In other words there was enough of a mass of negative opinion to drive them out.

In other words there was enough of a mass of negative opinion to drive them out

And in their own words at the time, this wasn’t why they wanted to leave.

What you mean is they didn’t immediately disclose their reasons for leaving.

Once they’re no longer on the payroll of the RF then they need to earn money. What were you expecting them to do?

I meant monopoly of opinion, no ‘one’ opinion.
Which you knew, as you pointed out that word wasn’t ‘apt’.
It wasn’t hard to see the point I was making.
It seems like it was a case of crossed wires, glad it turned out that we are in agreement 👍

What you mean is they didn’t immediately disclose their reasons for leaving.

And we’re back to the mental gymnastics of the Sussex supporters - even the couple’s own clear words don’t need to be taken at face value when giving excuses for their actions.

(Also if they or their advisers though “We want to monetise our positions ‘cos annoyingly we can’t do that currently!” sounds better than “We can’t live with the negative coverage we get” then they are all terrible at reading optics. It came across as extremely venal, and funnily enough because of that, was probably quite genuine…)

There’s no such thing as a ‘monopoly of opinion’. Possibly monopoly ‘on’ an opinion but it doesn’t really mean anything.

‘Monolith’ isn’t clear either - do you simply mean one, or do you the bulk ie majority.

But if you think I agree with you, you have misunderstood further.

I don’t support any of the monarchy, I’m a Republican.

I don’t like to see people bullied though. If just want to rehearse all the old tired M&H bitching why not start another of the interminable number of threads devoted to the subject.

I simply saw some deleted posts.

Monolithic, as coming from one rock.
Mono means one.
Lithic means coming from rock.

Therefore when I said no ‘monolith of opinion’ I meant that not all opinions were coming from the same point of view/starting point/reasoning.

I’m sorry you struggled to pick up the context clues. Others didn’t have your struggle.

You told me my opinion ‘goes without saying’ so not sure what I’ve misunderstood?

Monopoly of opinion makes perfect sense.

You really think you’re doing something here, don’t you 🤣
But you’re just coming across as unpleasant

My post that you quoted actually wasn’t “M&H bitching” - it was pointing out the fact that their supporters’ defences of the couple are built on shifting sands. For example, clear evidence is not to be taken at face value, if it makes them look bad.

I know what monolith means. It wasn’t clear if you meant 1 opinion or the majority.

Your tendency to choose the wrong words is not my problem.

A lot of the stories from both sides never come from them so could be ignored. I just go by what the couple say or do which is usually the best way. MM has not always been entirely accurate in comments she has made which is a pity as I think she would go down very well in the UK if she were here obeying the rules, doing what she was told, being a country housewife to her husband who could have some kind of relatively low paid army type job or charitable duties.

They didn't want that which is their right and they left. I hope both of them can however spend a bit more time with both their families as that tends to be nicer for small children rather than feeling estranged.

I am certain King Charles love Harry and wants to see more of him and his family and therefore there is huge will on that side to keep good relations. I think there is much for which to be hopeful.