Will Charles attempt to bring H&M back?

[EdieLedwell]

I've been wondering about this all week.

What do people think? Would William want that ? Would Kate?

Wouldn't that sort of thing have been thought about when they first talked about leaving?

If they were determined to spend a lot of time abroad though they might have been told that it wasn't feasible?

No.

To my first born, I give the £23 million per year income generated by the Duchy of Cornwall, title of Prince of Wales.

To the second, I give my love. And wish him a safe journey home.

I think that speech, while touching in parts, made me see what a farce all of this is. And if Anne was the first-born, the title would have bounced straight to Charles because she was a woman. That law was only changed recently. We actually entered the 21st century with such sexist rules.

I used to be in favour of the RF, but it just goes against all logic and basic principles of fairness.

Why the fuck would Meghan want to live here. Have you seen the obsessive, endless bile spouted about her. In the US she liked.

Yes it would be difficult for her to move back to the UK. I don't think she'd be made feel welcome.
It is sad for Harry though, and for the children when they get older. All family estrangements are.

To my first born, I give the £23 million per year income generated by the Duchy of Cornwall, title of Prince of Wales.

It was always going to go to William as the oldest son of the monarch-not sure that Charles even has a say in that!

Yes but only temporarily while he was an ADC. As soon as that stopped he no longer had the initials. Uniforms change all the time in the forces depending on roles- things are added or removed, temporarily or permanently. You can't wear things you are not entitled to wear just because you want to. It's misrepresentation. It's no different to people who add a medal they were never awarded. Anyway, I doubt he complained- it's a Daily Fail shit stirring story.

The 'They were uninvited to the reception' is another one. Made up by The Daily Fail entirely and repeated with 'sources' which means 'We just made the quotes up'.

There is one this morning which may have come from the Sussexes as the Palace have commented on it saying it is not true whereas they have ignored the rest.

Will be interesting to see if any of the things the DM has been alleging in the last 10 days emerge as true in the next few weeks. They have said directly/alluded that:

1. The palarvar over who was going to Balmoral and the delay in William, Edward and Andrew leaving was caused by the Sussexes announcing Meghan was going , then being told it was inappropriate as it was only the Queen's children and William and Harry ,which caused issues. Harry refused to travel with the others although they had waited for him- so they did not arrive in time to see The Queen and he arrived much later.
2. He refused to have dinner with William and Charles that night at Charles's home on the estate, stayed in the main house and left as early as possible the next day not seeing them again.
3. Harry was not told about the death of The Queen before it was publicly announced and was extremely upset.(This is the story the palace have denied this morning)
4. Their children will not be HRH and the Sussexes are furious about it.
5. Their children may not be Prince and Princess and the Sussexes are furious about it.
6. Royal houses may be re-allocated and Andrew lose Royal Lodge Windsor and the Sussexes Frogmore Cottage (although both would have to be bought out of long leases)
7. The walkabout with William and Kate took almost 2 hours of negotiation to organise because of Harry and William's demands and refusals.
8. He was not allowed to wear a uniform as he walked to Westminster Hall and felt humiliated.
9. He and William would not share a car with each other on the way to the vigil on Saturday
10. The Queen's initials 'were ripped' from his uniform (DM words) and he was 'heartbroken' and considered refusing to wear his uniform and wear a mourning suit instead.
11. He has insisted his book will be released in autumn and is already being printed in Suffolk.
12. They were uninvited from the reception yesterday and not told and only read about it in the Press.
13. They are upset not to have been given a larger public role in the family in the last 10 days.
14. Their children were going to fly across with Doria.
15. Meghan was going to leave England and fly home to the US to be with the children and not attend the funeral
16. They refused an invitation to stay at Birkhall with Charles this summer
17. They refused an invitation to stay at Balmoral with The Queen this summer
18. The Queen only met their daughter once for 10 minutes.
19. He hates the Queen's PA and Dresser Angela Kelly because she refused Meghan the tiara she wanted on her wedding day (because it was not in the group which The Queen had said she could pick one from) which led to the 'What Meghan wants Meghan gets ' row, and it was Kelly he was referring to when he said of The Queen 'I am trying to make sure she has the right people around her to look after her' .
20. Harry and Andrew will be removed as 'counsellors of state' in favour if Anne and Beatrice.
21. Charles is very hurt and bewildered by their behaviours and comments and can not understand why they are doing it all.
22. Charles has felt pressured by Andrew and Harry to allow them to do things that it was agreed they would not when they both stepped down from public life.

There'll be more no doubt but all of these have been alleged by the Daily Mail in the last 10 days. I suspect at least 80% will turn out to be rubbish and entirely made up by the Mail.

@diddl Yes, absolutely - I realise that. But to highlight it so blatantly, it was just cringeworthy. He seems to have zero self-awareness.

I do feel sorry for Harry. The whole setup is completely unjust and unfair. An heir and a spare - what a jape!

Vile.

This. Only a couple of days before the Queen died. IIRC it was in MM’s article in The Cut magazine rather than on her podcast.

Agree with this.

The Monarchy needs to show unity now, feel like this is the kairos moment for them. Getting bogged down in a he said/she said would not be a good idea.

It's not that they need Harry and Meghan, it's that they DON'T need someone outside the tent right now.

Once all the emotion subsides. Charles will have to carry on without all the baked in respect and goodwill his Mother garnered.

I don't know what you mean by "kairos" or"baked respect", but I hope that these events lead to some sort of reconciliation and both parties find a way to move forward.

I think if this ever happened, they need to do some time away and out of the working family for a while and demonstrate they can behave and are back to their senses. No point rushing this, and need to gain the trust back which after that O interview will be difficult to do. Not to mention Meghan's instincts are to grab land so she will always struggle with the hierarchy, which will not go away. There is only one King and one Prince of Wales, unfortunately for her, these things don't come and go like Hollywood stardom.

I think these stories are made to try and humiliate Harry as much as possible.

Not sure what comes from the palace - ie. intentional 'invite' him to something they knew he was not supposed to attend, in order to later say 'we snatched it back, and leaked that to the press'.

Or what is made up by papers, but it's risky as H can respond if this never even took place to begin with, maybe they count on him being too busy with the funeral and grieving to answer all lies.

Baked in, as in already there for the Queen.

Kairos - ultimate moment

When did H&M say they want the Prince's Trust ?

I don't think they want to come back. Not with the present advisors, they don't. Too much has happened anyway since 2016 till now.

@LuluBlakey1
Too many people are linked tot the RF and the titles, I doubt this would ever work. Someone on here or another thread tried to ridicule a poster who mentioned a 'lot of powerful forces' involved. Which is strange to me, you only have to look at all the links and involvements starting with House of Lords / Peers etc.

Piers was a loose canon with the 'strip them' thing. While the RF gets away with everything, stripping only H&M will disillusion a lot of people.

As for the pageantry and pomp - well, its about the only thing the rf is good for (lifting up nation spirits and all that).

I agree with this. They are trying to humiliate him. It’s an awful way to treat someone and the press add to it whilst fawning over others on the palace. They feed the public and the tide turns. The public are so easily manipulated, it’s quite terrifying and not just with the royals, they did the same with Brexit. Trump did the same in the US. Until people start to think critically and apply logic, nothing will change. The royals have lost all credibility, they are like a soap opera entertaining the world. But they will wheel out the two kids today for the funeral, when the kids can attend a private funeral. They are playing a game of chess, and they are one move ahead of the majority of the public, who will bow their heads in their presence of other ordinary people. It’s truly baffling.

No.

To my first born, I give the £23 million per year income generated by the Duchy of Cornwall, title of Prince of Wales.

To the second, I give my love. And wish him a safe journey home.

Yet, Charles arranged millions for Camilla's adult children. Making sure they had a nice little trust fund. But can't do anything for a son facing threats, with a baby grandson.

Yet, Charles arranged millions for Camilla's adult children. Making sure they had a nice little trust fund. But can't do anything for a son facing threats, with a baby grandson.

And facing threats because his and his son's aides have stoked up the press with a smear campaign just because Harry and Meghan were getting more attention. They were getting that attention because they were more relatable, interesting and likeable. I think with this new, pared down version of the RF, Charles is actually throwing his own baby out with the bathwater. They could have been an asset if he'd stuck up for Harry against the men in grey suits. That's how it appears, anyway.

"I agree with this. They are trying to humiliate him. It’s an awful way to treat someone and the press add to it whilst fawning over others on the palace. They feed the public and the tide turns. The public are so easily manipulated, it’s quite terrifying and not just with the royals, they did the same with Brexit. Trump did the same in the US. Until people start to think critically and apply logic, nothing will change. The royals have lost all credibility, they are like a soap opera entertaining the world. But they will wheel out the two kids today for the funeral, when the kids can attend a private funeral. They are playing a game of chess, and they are one move ahead of the majority of the public, who will bow their heads in their presence of other ordinary people. It’s truly baffling."

I think Charles is behaving correctly this type of dynamic happens in family across the world.

@LuluBlakey1

Yes but only temporarily while he was an ADC. As soon as that stopped he no longer had the initials. Uniforms change all the time in the forces depending on roles- things are added or removed, temporarily or permanently. You can't wear things you are not entitled to wear just because you want to. It's

Since that was a reply to me - Yep, I know all that (partly due experience of wearing an HM forces uniform for well over a decade, but I hasn’t to add never at the dizzy levels of senior officer/being an ADC etc) and that’s exactly the point I was trying to make to the pp, guess I did it badly.

Harry was only entitled to have EIIR “up” from the time he was given the role in supposedly late 2019 until the time he resigned his commission.

I don’t follow Royal weddings that closely (it at all) but looking at the dates concerned he wouldn’t be entitled to wear the EIIR insignia at the time of the weddings, he would be entitled to wear them in June 2019..(Newsweek image) he is not entitled to wear then now…

Harry and Meghan’s team are fuelling this. Who else would say about Harry having an issue when the uniform arrived? They are just impossible snd cannot keep quiet. He should have kept in touch with the Granny he said he wanted to protect. Instead he couldn’t make his mind up what to do about Meghan. He needs to keep silent.

Or more likely it is all made up.

Harry and Meghan’s team are fuelling this. Who else would say about Harry having an issue when the uniform arrived? They are just impossible snd cannot keep quiet. He should have kept in touch with the Granny he said he wanted to protect. Instead he couldn’t make his mind up what to do about Meghan. He needs to keep silent.

"AIBU inviting then uninviting my son and daughter in law to a reception in honour of his late grandmother?"

I think it's a miracle they haven't gone back already. And when they do, and don't come back, that will obviously be wrong too.

I bet they're desperately missing their children and can't wait to get back. How hard for them... all the senior Royals have their children round them... W&K, Zara, Edward etc.
I feel for them, even though they've done nothing wrong over here, there's been some awful articles out there about them, and the usual nasty stuff from the likes of Wootton, Pierce, Levin etc, whipping people up into a frenzy of hate.

I hope they can get back to their children asap.

I would put money on it that their children are already here. I also don't thing the RF would draw attention to them visiting relatives when they don't have police protection. That would be daft.