Will Charles attempt to bring H&M back?

[EdieLedwell]

I've been wondering about this all week.

What do people think? Would William want that ? Would Kate?

Wow I didn’t get that from Charles’ speech at all- a goodbye?! I thought he was trying to appeal to Harry’s emotional upset by professing love for him. Which I noticed he didn’t declare for William and Kate just mentioned in the sentence before. I took it as an olive branch.

With the Princes Trust idea I was thinking of a more hands on role than a patron is. Not quite a staff member either. Ambassador for the charity- doing some actual work for it?Somehow something that used Harry and Meghans’ talents and kept them in the public eye in the Uk and for a good cause.

I interpreted it as being loved as a son & part of the family but you're out of "The Firm".

Hoping this means that his wayward brother will be given the boot!

Ambassador for the charity- doing some actual work for it?Somehow something that used Harry and Meghans’ talents and kept them in the public eye in the Uk and for a good cause.

That's exactly what they don't want though isn't it?

I’ve no idea what they want TBH. But decent quasi- employment of some kind in the UK that keeps Harry and Meghan in the public eye in a positive way might keep them away from the Netflix and Spotify deals that will want more and more royal revelations.

And maybe in a few years once they have some kind of expertise to draw on they can be credible advocates for something really positive. They could then advocate for community-building work, anti-sexist, anti-racist causes in the UK and the US, all needed and useful.

I assumed he just wanted to make sure he mentioned Harry as well as Kate, William and Camilla in his speech and that was the most tactful way of doing it.
It was possibly originally drafted by a speechwriter.

That is what they wanted. The problem is now they know with someone like Meghan around, that will never work. The grabbing land machine would be relentless and very disruptive to the family.

What is up with this tedious demand of stripping them of titles.

It is the children birthright. That is what you wanted, a born royal family, by blood. That is what Harry, Lili and Archie are. Born royal. The rules were put out, you expect H&M to follow these rules - hence they were stripped of all sorts (well, except for Andrew ofcourse) . You should also follow the rules and they say A&L are HRH Prince/Princess.

Did you tear your clothes out, demanding that titles are stripped when :

• the York sister worked in the US?
• the York sister lived in Portugal with her husband
• the Kent son went to work and live in US till this day with his actress wife

Like the above H&M are still renting Frogmore, so may well have dual citizenship or whatever. Clearly the ties are not completely cut. Except for W, it doesn't look like there is any beef between other family members.

No, the Sussex's did not 'trash' the family - that is just a stick Piers gave you and you took it with gusto. They talked about their experience , which will differ from others. It so happens they were treated differently, it's not like others are going to have racism are they. And what on earth is Andrew going to complain about when he is so protected. So are the rest of the other members. Always have been. As I said, the interview was not a catalyst, it came about after years of the same smear.

If A&L keep in touch with cousins via WhatsApp, visits etc. over the years, they may decide to come study at boarding / uni over here. Get close to cousins and next thing, they want to be fully incorporated into the rf again. Who knows, maybe George changes things, you never know. It is their choice.

Good post

I’ve no idea what they want TBH. But decent quasi- employment of some kind in the UK that keeps Harry and Meghan in the public eye in a positive way might keep them away from the Netflix and Spotify deals that will want more and more royal revelations. this , yes I really think they might do a U-Turn. they’ve just severed ties with Sunshine sachs, so it could be that both sides are reconsidering things?

They won’t give up the USA now. After what she’s said about being trapped and her issues with the RF! Charles and William love them but they don’t have to like them. Let’s see if his book is still published later this year and whether she gives more interviews. They are largely irrelevant to everyone here. But that’s what they wanted. Apparently the security is good enough at the Queens funeral for him to stay for it. The Queen made it clear he was in or out. He chose out. I would bet money that he’ll stay out.

*They are largely irrelevant to everyone here"

If I knew that was so. I wonder why there's anything up to 21 articles about them printed in the daily mail then

No, I don't think he will. They are regarded as entirely untrustworthy now. I think Charles loves his son and had accepted Meghan genuinely at first but it has gone too far now for there to be any return. The book Harry has written may well be the last straw and, of course, we still have the rest of Meghan's podcasts and interviews to come.

Most of the stories that have emerged over the last 10 days are rubbish anyway, mainly made up entirely by the Daily Mail. Today's about 'sources close to Harry' reporting he is 'devastated' and 'heartbroken' because the initials ER were 'removed' from his uniform for the vigil last night, is utter rubbish. He never had the initials on his uniform- look at his wedding photos and William's wedding photos- they were never there. He never complained because he has never had them removed. The Mail just makes up stories.
I think Charles needs to be very careful in relation both to Andrew and Harry and what he allows in the future. They both made choices that had consequences and if he is seen to allow them public roles it will damage the public view of the Monarchy further and he needs public support. It would be much more straightforward if he did some judicious pruning back if HRH's.
He can do this quite simply by producing a Letters Patent. My view would be:

1. The only people who have the title HRH are the heir to the throne and their eldest child and only those two should be titled Prince or Princess.
2. The other children of a Monarch should get the title Duke or Duchess but only for their lifetime. There should be no inherited Royal Dukedoms- they should be given for life with no titles for the children of Royal Dukes/Duchesses.
3. Anyone not a working royal should have no titles or honorary titles- they should be removed.

This would remove the ridiculous titles for all the hangers on like the sons of the Dukes of Kent and Gloucester and their sons. It would also keep the Royal Family much smaller and ensure they earn their keep. It would also mean they are about contributing significantly to the wider life of the country through charity work etc and not about just being rich and privileged and untouchable. If they do not do that there should be no privileges- no houses on the Crown Estates, no household expenses from the Crown Grant, no titles, no parades.

Harry should never ever be lumped with his vile shady uncle, ever.

Charles should be very careful lumping his own son with his vile sex pest brother.

Only 2 weeks ago, while they were too busy to visit the Queen, Meghan was dropping hints about her diaries and saying she was able to speak out about anything. Charles won't let them within a thousand miles of the Prince's Trust.

They are largely irrelevant to everyone as they do nothing. What the papers say is commentary but it affects no one. They won’t be opening your school, visiting your hospital or even receiving your bouquet! Irrelevant.

They are provided with police protection whilst in the UK.

If the Queen was clear ‘you are either in or out’ Charles won’t undo that.

The only way there will be a change is if Harry and Meghan split, but even then I would guess he would remain in America to be near his children.

No. Not all the time.

This would remove the ridiculous titles for all the hangers on like the sons of the Dukes of Kent and Gloucester and their sons. It would also keep the Royal Family much smaller and ensure they earn their keep. It would also mean they are about contributing significantly to the wider life of the country through charity work etc and not about just being rich and privileged and untouchable.
If they do not do that there should be no privileges- no houses on the Crown Estates, no household expenses from the Crown Grant, no titles, no parades

Now this I agree with. Let's see if Charles keeps to his word. He's been talking about 'slimming down' for over 20 years.

He never had the initials on his uniform- look at his wedding photos and William's wedding photos- they were never there.

One reason they may be absent in the wedding photos you mention is that the first time he would have been entitled to wear the E II R insignia was when he was appointed an ADC, which AFAIK was late in 2018. How does that date compare with the dates of the weddings?

There are certainly pictures in existence of him in dress uniform with the insignia, for example there's one in this Newsweek piece supposedly taken in June 2019 :

www.newsweek.com/meghan-markle-prince-harry-drone-archie-tyler-perry-mansion-hollywood-1506980

Harry and Megan were “dis-invited” from
the banquet last night. Big statement that they are “out”.

Regarding the ER being removed from the uniform, he wasn’t entitled to have it. William was and ditto Andrew! Obviously that’s an error. I gather Williams uniform was missing which meant he was incorrectly dressed! These Royals need to get a life! Getting rid of all dressing up would help!

They weren't going in the first place but it makes a good hate story to make up they were 'disinvited'. Even Andrew Pierce tweeted that they were 'barred' like a bouncer threw them out at the door!
Non working Royals weren't ever going. Simple

Whilst there remains a book in the pipeline, I don't see them being welcomed back.

Non working royal weren't invited. I don't think Zara or Beatrice etc will be there either. It's not a snub.