Will Charles attempt to bring H&M back?

[EdieLedwell]

I've been wondering about this all week.

What do people think? Would William want that ? Would Kate?

Seriously stop it. Read what I have said not what you think I’ve said. Remember social media is not real life and that SA/Zim communities are just as polarised as our own. The whole of SA did not take offence. I am a black person of African descent and me and my POC (and white) peers did not take to media to complain. I have not thrown anyone under any bus - listen carefully - HER GRANDSON WAS RIGHT TO CRITICISE THE STATEMENT (because it was hyperbole) AND SHE WAS SILLY TO SHARE IT. It doesn’t mean someone didn’t say it.

I have consistently said this but you don’t get it nor do you care for the context I can bring and that’s fine. But enough of this topic because I’m getting annoyed.

Nice spin but that's not what you said, and if what you said hadn't been a personal attack , your posts wouldn't have been deleted.

she has been paying a lot of money to try to achieve ‘presence’ but the millions to SS have been pretty much in vain, and the money has run out, and she’s as far up the philanthropy rankings as she was in the acting rankings without much chance to rising much further

i wonder why she felt the need to say that people were dancing in the streets in SA like they did. Was it delusion, was it jealousy of Serena’s achievement.

The last person who used to come out with this type of self praise was Trump.

Has dancing in the streets of SA become the 3 days before wedding which morphed from no one asked me how I was which was a descendant of smiling funny in church.

i suppose the trump supporters have a similar rationalising of his lying too 🤣

What is she supposed to have lied about now?

I got told off earlier for dredging up old news. So what?

Oh the faithful apologist who takes a subjective view of the term ‘personal attack’. I highlighted what I considered to be the hypocrisy of one poster who took exception to me making a judgement about her actions, while at the same time said poster deemed it acceptable to make judgements about another individual (i.e. the Duchess of Sussex) on a frequent basis (daily, in fact). Is it only a ‘personal attack’ when it’s addressed to someone with views you do not share?
Oh, and I’m quite happy to repost my original comment for analysis.

No supposed about it

What though? What has she lied about? You're not answering. I'm not talking about the 3 day wedding or whatever. But what now?

Obviously nothing.

Just me and my musings. But I don’t understand why H&M still spoke to highly of the Queen.

Someone in the family or who works for them made a (H&M feel) racist comment. They feel she was pushed to remain an actress, they feel they weren’t protect by the RF in the press, they couldn’t access help for Meghans mental Health.

But they go to great lengths to not blame The Queen or Prince Phillip and talk about how lovely they were. But they are the heads of the family.

Even if The Queen and Prince Phillip didn’t know until the summit, surely the Queen would have been shocked and appalled they felt that way. Surely the Queens assurances that this would stop would have kept them here, or delayed it while they got to the bottom of it. And why wouldn’t Harry have gone to her during the few years Meghan was in the Uk and tell her these things are happening?

If they did know and kept not addressing H&M hurt and concerns and kept letting it happen, why would they be so lovely about the Queen? I know her power in politics is limited. But surely she could tell aides to get Meghan some support for her mental health, get them to call the press off, get to the bottom of the racists comments etc. Tell her own family to pack in being dicks to them, if it was the family.

Not trying to catch anyone out anything. It’s just something I have never understood.

I thought to myself:

"what happened to H&M, thought there was still one in local city centre"

Huh. As you were.

Because even they aren’t stupid enough to criticise The Queen or PP , especially with inheritances at risk .

Great post @Hearthnhome

Personally I feel... the Queen was very elderly, very, and what she felt about H&M might well be very different to the institution those like W & C feeling threatened by her/them. I think the Queen was fine with them. And being so elderly I am not sure she would be getting so involved in what is the equivalent of office politics.
Just my personal opinion before I get slated!

Data from a survey conducted by the BBC last year reported that an older demographic were less approving of Meghan Markle; whereas the younger segment of those surveyed thought favourably of her

The YouGov poll of U.K. opinion had her unpopular in all age groups, most especially with women. There was a marginally less resounding result with younger women, but still very low popularity.

I do wonder if Meghan has people who are poor at advising or aren’t working in her best interests.

Let’s assume someone did say they were dancing in the streets and she was just silly to share it, do they not edit Pod casts, does she not have people who observe it being recorded or listen after and say ‘yeah that might not be the best but to put in’.

and who makes the final decisions on the edits, assuming there are edits.

It would have been career suicide to criticise the queen, so they took a pragmatic approach on blaming everyone else even though TQ had the final sign off on no half in half of out approach.

@Hearthnhome

I agree completely. It’s either lying or delusional, someone should have cut it, but someone should have taken an editors pen to the bench too, so I’m guessing she retained the editorial control

I cannot imagine any situation where W and C would feel threatened by H and M ! In the not too distant future H and M would be way down the LOS and of similar importance to the Kents and Gloucesters .

Hmmm… she was also fine with Andrew. Doesn’t suggest good judgement does it?

I don’t believe she was fine with it at all. I think she was very clever in the way she handled it all, but must have been very distressed by their criticism of the wider famiiy and the institution itself. How could she not be?

Totally agree

yougov.co.uk/ratings/politics/popularity/royalty/all

You can't say that whatever happened, M&H might not have proved hugely popular with the public? Say they had stayed, and they generated more headlines, Meghan was more popular, the BAME community loved her. and Harry.. they might well have felt 'threatened' .

I am using the word 'threatened' in the context of popularity.

I kind of understand that and still don’t.

I don’t believe any Gran would let this stuff go when finding out her grandson and wife were leaving the country over racism and harassment, within their own household. Or even after the first 2 complaints.

Not saying it’s not as you say. I just can’t get my head around it.

Plenty of people hold her accountable for other decisions made around that time and since.

i am sure the Queen was fine with them, but she wasn’t above telling her kids and Grandkids off. I am mixed race. Some one who allows racism I’m when they could stop it, is just as bad as those that do it, in my opinion. People who could help someone in their family with mental health problems but chooses not to, is not someone I could just say ‘they are lovely’ about.

It might be just how my mind works, but I just don’t get it.

Crikey, if I posted your first sentence I'd have been roasted!

I believe she was fine with Harry & Meghan., you don't know how she felt, and nor do I. Just my opinion.

IMHO it’s because the Queen was a globally loved figure and they wanted the positive association with her.