Will Charles attempt to bring H&M back?

[EdieLedwell]

I've been wondering about this all week.

What do people think? Would William want that ? Would Kate?

*bandwagon

We’ve been through this before - I understand the context. Of course they weren’t dancing in the streets - but I believe that someone told her they were. I also understand why they would have told her that. You do not and that’s fine. And I also think she was foolish to share this.

The Nelson Mandela comparison was quite funny. If it did not fly in the US, you can imagine this kind of comment not going well in the UK either. Quite courageous I would say, which here means high probability it was a very bad move.

This is just an example of nobody screening what comes out - she just does not take advice

The British media are shit. It’s obvious most of the stories about W&K and H&M are rubbish. Of course they do it for click bait. The best thing they could do if they dislike Meghan so much is not mention her at all. If they are convinced everything is for publicity. Don’t mention her.

But I do think posters need to pay attention to other social media, other than twitter.

There was quite a lot of people who live in SA who were bothered by her comments and story about comparing her wedding reaction to the reaction at freeing Mandela. If you look across platforms, it wasn’t a tiny amount or people with history of posting about her. And it was many PoC.

This threads always end with extremes one side thinking Meghan and Harry can’t do any wrong and the RF are evil. And the other who tend to believe everything awful about her.

My personal experience in these threads is that pro MM hate anyone who isn’t completely pro MM posting. But I don’t often come on them. So that’s not representative of all threads, just my experience. I quite like MM but am not someone who thinks Harry is blameless. But it’s been made clear before, that’s not an acceptable stance.

GK must be their spokesperson. She has already spoken out on the situation between the RF and H&M. Surely as a friend, if they didn’t want her speaking out, she wouldn’t. So that’s not an official statement but still getting things in the press. So I disagree that they don’t leak things. They do.

I saw lots of criticism on twitter on the day of the funeral. Some pro Kate some pro megahn. Both being awful about the other one. It is absolutely awful and not sure what people gain.

What is it about Meghan Markle that compels you and others like you to take to your computer each day to chastise her?
She is a beautiful, seemingly intelligent woman who has the love and devotion of a British prince, two adorable children, significant wealth, and a global platform that other public figures (including other members of the royal family) could only dream of having.
Oh, I think I’ve inadvertently answered my own question. No wonder she provokes such a reaction from some.

I'm not sure M&H need defending particularly since they are happy to publicly share their own "truths" and non specific slurs (someone in the RF said something racist, will not say who)

I'm no royalist but it is surely the RF who are more in need of defending as they have no voice in that they do not reply to accusations.

As for bullying, perhaps Meghan has been bullied, perhaps Meghan is a bully, perhaps both are true.

There are certainly some posters who religiously defend M&H whose behaviour could be seen as bullying.

@FirstTM and she also has an ego the size of Windsor Castle 😅. As I said, they will struggle to keep the story going, or else they will bring new elements to the table. The RF are not dim, trust is lost.

All the possible people who could have said it have denied it or could not possibly have said it. Just imagine yourself saying this nonsense. Wouldn't you feel ridiculous? In fact I can't imagine any famous person speaking like this. In interviews stars are usually self deprecating.

She is a beautiful, seemingly intelligent woman who has the love and devotion of a British prince, two adorable children, significant wealth, and a global platform that other public figures (including other members of the royal family) could only dream of having. This being true then why does Meghan speak such nonsense to big herself up. This is what irritates. Gradually people will stop listening.

@jeffgoldblum What personal abuse, I'm not sure what, I just replied to Snog who mentioned me in her post as a frequent poster... I didn't see anything else?

I've just scrolled back and see there's a deleted post straight after mine, I didn't see it, I was stuffing my face at the time!

Wow.

That’s just not true.

Here are some facts.

Nelson Mandela’s family took offence.

People of SA took offence.

PoC took to liberal and progressive media in US and U.K. to complain.

But YOU will still stand up for her words?

Why would you throw all of these people listed above under the bus for MM?

And of course you know all of these facts as they were evidenced weeks ago on these threads - but you still persist.

Why?

Judging by the column inches she gets and the frequency at which people take to social media and online platforms (including Mumsnet) to discuss her I don’t think there is any fear of her not being listened to by others. While people continue to obsess about her and her every move she will always have a platform to voice any opinion that she wishes. She keeps winning because people who claim to despise her or have ‘no interest’ in her reinforce her importance time and time again. Other public figures pay a lot of money for that type of presence and influence.

Someone said that people were dancing in the streets and them saying that was hyperbole - which is what Mandela’s grandson said. And of course he’s right.

Meghan sharing this was ill advised because now people now conflate it with her saying people were dancing in the street.

As someone with family from that part of the world - I can say that very few people were shocked, some were amused and some shrugged and most went about their day as Mandela does not feature in their day to day lives.

I’m surprised that people in your community were shocked - the people I know were more excited about Serena (the GOAT) and the fact that she spoke on Meghan’s podcast than they were about the actual content. I suppose we know different people.

She is a beautiful, seemingly intelligent woman who has the love and devotion of a British prince, two adorable children, significant wealth, and a global platform that other public figures (including other members of the royal family) could only dream of having.

Exactly, @FirstTM . So why do they moan, talk about the past and hint at exposing secrets or say things that could cause offense?

I’m waiting for them to do something really positive and get on with their happy lives. No more talk of the past, it’s pointless.

@Roussette , apologies, of course the post was deleted, ft second post on this thread was a personal attack on snog , and very ageist too ! . Snog only referred to you and the other poster in reply to another comment, and wasn't aimed at you personally.

Thanks, I wasn't sure what it was all about

Agreed it was silly if her to share. Like I said - I understand who might have said it, why it would have been said and why they wouldn’t want to admit having said something like that. But we should probably leave this topic now.

Every time I start warming to Meghan, she comes out with another piece of guff. But maybe you're right it could be deliberate.

Because she doesn’t believe it herself?

Ageist? No! Data from a survey conducted by the BBC last year reported that an older demographic were less approving of Meghan Markle; whereas the younger segment of those surveyed thought favourably of her. Making reference to this is not ageist.

You could well be right but she needs wiser heads around her to give her better advice. People who will tell her that she doesn't need to self aggrandise

I can’t decide if she actually suffers from poor self esteem under all the bragging and voicing of her opinions. Or if she is genuinely a total narcissist. She certainly doesn’t have very good judgement. She’s shown a spectacular lack of self awareness in the way she’s gone about things, and little ability to foresee consequences.

Also seems to have no gratitude for her immense good fortune.

I'm bloody ancient and you can tell which side I'm on!
Maybe I'm the exception!

I'm confident that Meghan is in receipt of the best advice that money can buy.
Somewhat less confident that she is following that advice.