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Will Charles attempt to bring H&M back?

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EdieLedwell · 17/09/2022 18:47

I've been wondering about this all week.

What do people think? Would William want that ? Would Kate?

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diddl · 20/09/2022 07:16

obviously no one is saying that it doesn’t help that Zara is royal for her Rolex contract and Peter Philips has crossed the line a couple of times ,

They are not bound by titles & Royal duties which I think is a difference.

And of course Zara is an excellent horsewoman & has been able to pursue it-as with her mother.

Anne perhaps had the foresight to see that if they were ever working Royals it might not be a long term thing-& certainly not happening for her GC.

Perhaps less clear cut for Harry being the second son of the heir, now the son of the King & brother of the future King.

Probably clear though that no or limited role for his kids means it's as well that they get educated & earn their own money!

Whether that be within the RF or not.

nettie434 · 20/09/2022 07:42

Silverliningplaybook's post seems to have summed up the situation really clearly. Charles is the one who has put forward the idea of 'working royals'. That involves a lot of low profile appearances, such as the way the Queen attended the Sandringham WI. I think Harry and Meghan would prefer to be in the States, where they have more control over their lives.

Diddl's point about Princess Anne's foresight is interesting. I recognised Zara Tindell during the news coverage because she has a public role as a sportswoman in her own right but I did not recognise Peter Phillips until the reporters pointed out who he was.

DFOD · 20/09/2022 07:47

I think that a truce would help them all.

I think that trust is shattered and will take years to rebuild.

But a truce would be necessary to even start this process.

There was no evidence of a truce with the veiled threats about further exposure from MM just days before the Queens death - even if her death was “sudden” and the threats were not directed specifically at the Queen it was hard to disentangle the institution, the men in grey suits, other members of the RF from the Queen with these vague mocking threats and this careless mocking was seen by many as unpalatable at this time.

Although given the timing of past disclosures - ie the OW interview in the weeks when it was known his adored grandmother was saying goodbye to her dying husband they showed zero empathy or sensitivity at that time - in fact regardless of the contents the timing was brutal.

Readinginthesun · 20/09/2022 07:54

I think the post @SilverLiningPlaybook Sums the situation up perfectly .
Someone called Neil Sean is claiming that Meghan has requested a one- to-one meeting with Charles before she and Harry return to America . Maybe someone else knows more about him .

Aspiringmatriarch · 20/09/2022 07:56

Although given the timing of past disclosures - ie the OW interview in the weeks when it was known his adored grandmother was saying goodbye to her dying husband they showed zero empathy or sensitivity at that time - in fact regardless of the contents the timing was brutal.

To clarify, they did not know Philip was dying when they did the Oprah interview.

kirinm · 20/09/2022 07:57

Readinginthesun · 20/09/2022 07:54

I think the post @SilverLiningPlaybook Sums the situation up perfectly .
Someone called Neil Sean is claiming that Meghan has requested a one- to-one meeting with Charles before she and Harry return to America . Maybe someone else knows more about him .

A very quick Google suggests he's gutter press who talks continuously about Meghan and Harry. Hardly a reliable source.

MaulPerton · 20/09/2022 08:00

Someone called Neil Sean is claiming that Meghan has requested a one- to-one meeting with Charles before she and Harry return to America

Not Oprah this time?

Arbesque · 20/09/2022 08:20

I thought they both seemed a bit lost and unsure of themselves this week. It must have been very difficult for Harry yesterday, not able to wear uniform and knowing his wife was not really welcome.

I think haste is behind a lot of their problems. Meghan was making a seismic change in her life but they rushed into marriage and then she was left in total culture shock. England was so different from California, royal life was full of stuffy protocol and archaic rules and nothing like as glamorous as she'd imagined and she had absolutely nothing in common with Harry's hooray Henry and sloaney friends, who must have seemed like aliens to her at times.

So they decided to return to the States but again rushed it through with no time to make proper plans or to devise a strategy for remaining working royals while living abroad.
Meghan returned to what she knew best - hustling and dealing and looking for opportunities while Harry, now the one out of his depth, trailed behind her trying to fit into her world.

In the process they burnt bridges and backed themselves into a corner where they feel the only way out is to continue fighting and pushing their 'truth'.

The Queen's death may have caused Harry to think 'what on earth have I done'?.

Ohnonevermind · 20/09/2022 08:46

I just don’t think it’s worked out the way H&M thought it would

They haven’t make the impact they thought they would in the US and they’ve missed all the important stuff in the U.K.

They praised the queen and talked about their close relationship while rubbishing everyone else which has left them alone in the RF.

LondonWolf · 20/09/2022 08:49

To clarify, they did not know Philip was dying when they did the Oprah interview.

Fair enough, but they did know when it was aired. Why not lean heavily to postpone it? Perhaps events overtook them and they couldn't change it, legally etc, but why not release a statement expressing regret at the timing?

Capri3 · 20/09/2022 08:54

Aspiringmatriarch · 20/09/2022 07:56

Although given the timing of past disclosures - ie the OW interview in the weeks when it was known his adored grandmother was saying goodbye to her dying husband they showed zero empathy or sensitivity at that time - in fact regardless of the contents the timing was brutal.

To clarify, they did not know Philip was dying when they did the Oprah interview.

They knew that he was sick and in hospital as M mentions that in the chicken coop part of the interview.

LondonWolf · 20/09/2022 08:56

Ohnonevermind · 20/09/2022 08:46

I just don’t think it’s worked out the way H&M thought it would

They haven’t make the impact they thought they would in the US and they’ve missed all the important stuff in the U.K.

They praised the queen and talked about their close relationship while rubbishing everyone else which has left them alone in the RF.

Covid was the worst thing for them. It landed just as they needed to make their big splash. I wonder if we'd have seen the criticism and moaning if they'd managed to make the impact they needed to at that time? I think the OW interview was always going to happen but I have said before and again now I think they were both naive. They accepted help and support from the very powerful Oprah and her friends, they were probably flattered and star struck that someone so high profile was in their corner, and I don't think they realised - certainly Harry - just how much she was going to want in return,

BadgerB · 20/09/2022 09:02

SilverLiningPlaybook ·
·When he met M he was getting really desperate to settle down and have kids like his brother, and his two previous relationships hadn’t worked out, partly because they couldn’t handle the scrutiny and expectations. When he met M he was bowled over. She seems worldly wise, confident and wanted all the same things he did. Or so it seemed.

His two previous long term girt-friends have since said he was mean with money and inclined to temper tantrums. Can't see either working with Meghan. She could easily out-tantrum him, and someone is spending a fortune on her clothes. Could be her, of course

Ohnonevermind · 20/09/2022 09:04

They could have framed the OP interview as the royal family are great but we want to make our way in the greatest country in the world on our own two feet.

the Americans would have lapped it up.
Harry would talk about all the American things his wife has talked about so they can’t wait to try.

then the Netflix deal Harry coming to America, a rather more upmarket Louis Theroux, with a few nice royal anecdotes fired in.

being able to invite some royals to a US 40th birthday which would have made it a success

instead they took a different approach

TizerorFizz · 20/09/2022 09:11

Clothes are a small expense when compared to security costs. They wanted it all. The big issue for the RF is that they keep “spilling beans”. Harry has a book coming out. She’s just given another interview. It contained a veiled threat. The RF don’t trust them. Harry might come back and he certainly looked troubled. He knew the risks. I doubt Meghan will budge. How can she now be wanted in the close ranks of the RF? She’s trouble. Charles doesn’t need it.

Meeting with Charles? So she can leak what’s said? Or just plain lie about it?

Arbesque · 20/09/2022 09:18

I imagine Harry might have realised this week all that he gave up to go to America. And Meghan may be terrified he'll want to return to the UK.

A massive amount of compromising is going to be needed all round to sort out the mess. But will everyone be willing to negotiate, should it come to that?

MaulPerton · 20/09/2022 09:20

A massive amount of compromising is going to be needed all round to sort out the mess. But will everyone be willing to negotiate, should it come to that?

The 'everyone' will, of course, also include the taxpaying public.

HannaHanna · 20/09/2022 09:24

The clothing may be gratis and obtained by her stylist. That’s normal for celebrities in the US.

queenofarles · 20/09/2022 09:30

Doing the Cut piece was even worse than the Oprah interview, It was so cleverly written but she had no control over it , it showed Meghan in a very unflattering light with all the guttural sounds references and giving out backpacks and granola bars to homeless people via her security. You can’t constantly curate your own image. People want to show the good and the not so good.

Samcro · 20/09/2022 09:34

SilverLiningPlaybook · 19/09/2022 22:52

In my opinion what happened is that Harry loved his family and was happy with his place in it before he met Meghan. I’m sure he felt pissed off with them at times, and felt his father had been emotionally absent. He obviously has baggage about his mothers death, but generally he got on well with them and enjoyed family relationships .
He never liked being open to public scrutiny and didn’t enjoy that’s aspect of it because ir limited his freedom. He wasn’t able to be a normal Army officer either. In addition he hated the Press.

When he met M he was getting really desperate to settle down and have kids like his brother, and his two previous relationships hadn’t worked out, partly because they couldn’t handle the scrutiny and expectations. When he met M he was bowled over. She seems worldly wise, confident and wanted all the same things he did. Or so it seemed. So he thought finally he had found the one. He wasn’t going to let anything stand in his way so he charged on. She on the other hand was at a turning point in her life. Her relationships hadn’t worked out either, her series was coming to an end. She wanted to hit the big time, either career wise or money and status wise . She was bowled over by his status and the novelty of him being British and rich. They rushed into marriage without much real thought or consideration. She thought she could do what she wanted to in her role as Harrys wife. All doors would be opened to her and she could be a big player on a worldwide stage. Fame and adulation, in another acting role so to speak. She hadn’t considered the restrictions, the scrutiny, the hide bound nature of the institution. The hierarchy. Or the history of a country she seems to know little about.

She became angry and felt trapped quite quickly as the reality of her situation began to dawn on her. I imagine as she became more disillusioned, she became desperate to get out and go back home. Most probably she wasn’t well liked or tolerated in the RF , because she is very vocal and dominating . We could see this quite early on She’s from a very different culture and seems to have no interest in learning about the country she was now living in. Perhaps she interpreted wariness and distance as racism. Perhaps she lacked the insight into her own behaviour to see that she might be the cause of some of her own problems . Treating staff with disdain , throwing her weight around, being demanding and expecting everything to be on her terms.

Harry, desperate to keep his wife happy, would do anything to appease her and took her side in every situation. Instead of trying to explain protocol or calm the waters, I suspect he began to get angry and throw his weight around too. The whole drama built and built as they both became more and more unhappy, seeing themselves as outsiders fighting the system. Feeling aggrieved when anyone tried to help or advise, urge caution or tell them they couldn’t have their way .

I think W and K kept their distance as they didn’t feel at ease with M and that was perceived as snobbery. Causing more anger and outrage. I do think Charles and the Queen tried very hard with them in every way, but this wasn’t enough to soothe the situation for long. Add in an increasingly hostile Press and all the subterfuge about Archie’s birth and the godparent business, and the toxic mess got worse.

Harrys friends apparently didn’t like Meghan and so they became a twosome set against the Establishment and all Harry had previously known and loved. Meghan talking about suicide would have triggered Harry in a big way, bringing back memories of his own mothers distress. So he felt backed into a corner and had to make a choice. His future with Meghan or his family. So he chose to burn all his bridges in a big hurry, thumb his nose at the RF and turn traitor.
Neither of them really had a clue how they would make a living or how any of the practicalities would work. They just bolted. I suspect Harry trusted M to know more about the Real World than he did.

The situation with Ms father didn’t help at all, as she was most likely emotional about that and felt humiliated by the Press reporting on the story. She probably expected the RF to be full of sympathy and support for her. Instead they probably felt embarrassed and bewildered by it all. So she took offence at that too.

I think in her mind she believed racism was at the heart of all her troubles in the U.K., so she seized on a remark Harry made about a relatives comments on skin colour. She imagined it was meant as a slur, not a light hearted comment made in jest as might have been the case. Harry didn’t seem to see it in the same way she did, even when he was speaking about it on OW. She twists the truth to suit her own ends or the way she genuinely sees things. She has her own lens, and she perceives things through the filter of her own prejudices and insecurities. Unfortunately she has convinced Harry that her own perspectives are the only ones worth bothering with.

They are two damaged , insecure people with a persecution complex. It’s a sad thing to see. I hope maybe the funeral has helped them gain a new perspective on things, but I doubt it.

this reads like stuff for a book. made up and one person opinion, not fact.

TrashyPanda · 20/09/2022 09:44

TERFwithAcat · 19/09/2022 14:39

I am shocked that they didn't get a invite to last night's reception. That was surely quite a big event and having two extra people wouldn't have been a huge task? Charles should have extended the olive branch there.

Why are H&M more “deserving” of an invite than any of the other cousins?

they have exactly the same relationship to the Queen.

working royals were at the reception. H&M are not working royals. End of.

SirChenjins · 20/09/2022 10:01

Samcro · 20/09/2022 09:34

this reads like stuff for a book. made up and one person opinion, not fact.

Which is quite literally how @SilverLiningPlaybook begins their post…

the80sweregreat · 20/09/2022 10:03

There are only ten 'working Royals ' now ( radio five live this morning named them all )
One reason they are probably a bit fed up is they now have to divvy up the engagements that H and M would have carried out if they hadn't walked. Plus all Harry's charities and patronages as well.
Meghan was also advised that she would have to work another job too as not much money around ( she said this to Oprah) if this is true , she probably thought that having to do two jobs might be a a bit much ( plus being seen as ' lesser ' than the future King and Catherine , who don't have to do any extra jobs)
It's only my observations , from what I've read and heard , obviously she wasn't aware how it all works and Harry didn't make it clear to her maybe ?

SilverLiningPlaybook · 20/09/2022 10:36

Samcro · 20/09/2022 09:34

this reads like stuff for a book. made up and one person opinion, not fact.

Of course it’s an opinion. we are allowed to have opinions aren’t we? Most MN threads are opinions. No one has to agree with me and many don’t. We mostly base our opinions on what we see and hear . Much if it from the mouths of the people we are commenting on.

diddl · 20/09/2022 11:44

Meghan was also advised that she would have to work another job too as not much money around

Another job as well as being a full time working Royal?

How much does it pay then that it isn't enough to live on I wonder?

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