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Will Charles attempt to bring H&M back?

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EdieLedwell · 17/09/2022 18:47

I've been wondering about this all week.

What do people think? Would William want that ? Would Kate?

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Readinginthesun · 19/09/2022 22:13

TERFwithAcat · 19/09/2022 20:24

TBF, both Harry and Meghan don't seem to understand how the uk royal family works, and I'm not sure whose fault that is?

On the one hand, Harry should have been better prepared and briefed on public expectations of him growing Up. It seems that William was? At the same time, Harry didn't choose royalty, so is it right that he would be told how to live his life? I'm not sure.

Meghan is a bit different. Unlike Kate, she didn't date Harry for long before getting down the aisle. It's well known that Kate spent years researching and preparing for her role. I'm not sure who helped her do that? William? The Queen? Wikipedia? Either way, she did it and she did it well.

I think someone needs to sit them down and give them the facts on their roles, and what happens if they abandon them.

Harry was urged to slow down by his brother and friends . He fell out with them . Meghan was offered help but refused it . It was suggested she continue with her acting career . She said no . She said she was ready to hit the ground running .
What else could people do ?

Readinginthesun · 19/09/2022 22:14

antelopevalley · 19/09/2022 20:58

Sometimes the new wife highlights the bad treatment from a family her partner has got used to.

What bad treatment ?

Readinginthesun · 19/09/2022 22:16

notanotheroneagain · 19/09/2022 21:05

Btw does Andrew get security?

As recent as last month, reports were that we are paying, yes.

Because he is deemed a high risk . Which is understandable.

antelopevalley · 19/09/2022 22:18

William told Harry to slow down and be sure he wanted to be with Meghan. Incredibly patronisng. I would not be happy if my brother gave me advice about who to be with. Not everyone needs years before deciding to marry.

derxa · 19/09/2022 22:20

antelopevalley · 19/09/2022 22:18

William told Harry to slow down and be sure he wanted to be with Meghan. Incredibly patronisng. I would not be happy if my brother gave me advice about who to be with. Not everyone needs years before deciding to marry.

You have no idea that this was said.

KentuckyDerbyandJoan · 19/09/2022 22:22

antelopevalley · 19/09/2022 20:59

I do not think Harry would ever come back.

We can only hope.

Readinginthesun · 19/09/2022 22:22

antelopevalley · 19/09/2022 22:18

William told Harry to slow down and be sure he wanted to be with Meghan. Incredibly patronisng. I would not be happy if my brother gave me advice about who to be with. Not everyone needs years before deciding to marry.

It was wise advice . It wasn’t like you or me marrying into another family . Meghan was marrying into a completely different way of life . She was almost middle aged , had worked and been independent for years and had already been married so Harry should have taken his time to establish if she was ready for a total change in her life .
Sadly , I cannot see their marriage lasting beyond another couple of years .

Gilmorehill · 19/09/2022 22:24

antelopevalley · 19/09/2022 20:59

I do not think Harry would ever come back.

For his children’s sake, I hope he’s done some proper financial planning.

FacebookPhotos · 19/09/2022 22:26

I would not be happy if my brother gave me advice about who to be with.

I love and trust my sister. If she advised me to slow down I might not heed her advice, but I’d know it was meant kindly and never hold it against her. She has similarly followed or ignored my advice over the years, and never borne a grudge. It’s a shame Harry and William don’t have such a close relationship.

antelopevalley · 19/09/2022 22:29

Readinginthesun · 19/09/2022 22:22

It was wise advice . It wasn’t like you or me marrying into another family . Meghan was marrying into a completely different way of life . She was almost middle aged , had worked and been independent for years and had already been married so Harry should have taken his time to establish if she was ready for a total change in her life .
Sadly , I cannot see their marriage lasting beyond another couple of years .

Whether their marriage will last or not you do not know.
Harry would be a minor Royal eventually if he had stayed, Meghan was not going to be Queen after all. What Harry did not tell her is that the British public are racist and the palace would not defend her.

antelopevalley · 19/09/2022 22:37

Gilmorehill · 19/09/2022 22:24

For his children’s sake, I hope he’s done some proper financial planning.

He and Meghan will work like most people. What other financial planning can you do?

queenofarles · 19/09/2022 22:37

Incredibly patronisng. I would not be happy if my brother gave me advice about who to be with. Not everyone needs years before deciding to marry. I told my younger brother exactly that , "don’t rush" He did take his time and is now happily married to the same person I advised him to not rush into marrying!
we are still so incredibly close, and not a day goes by We don’t text or call each other.

Cameleongirl · 19/09/2022 22:38

queenofarles · 19/09/2022 21:58

but I don’t think Harry’s money from both his Mother and The Queen Mother is enough to bank roll his current expenses, security alone must be close to $1M if not more , then there is the house plus other expenses and their Agents fees , all and all it’s it’s probably close to $7M a year.

Living within your means is part of being financially independent, isn’t it. They don’t really need to live in a mansion and play polo, etc., they could scale down abit and still have a very comfortable life.

LindyLou2020 · 19/09/2022 22:42

Raddix · 17/09/2022 20:19

If Harry is allowed back in there will be mutterings about a republic. People won’t stand for it.

A Republic? Bring it on!!!

StormzyinaTCup · 19/09/2022 22:43

He has left the bubble he was in by choice and has entered the real world now (sort of) and that means he needs to do what most other people in the real world have to do and that is live within their means.

At the end of the day he has made his choice, he says he is very happy so, best he cracks on and lives his best life, you only get one crack at it.

SilverLiningPlaybook · 19/09/2022 22:52

In my opinion what happened is that Harry loved his family and was happy with his place in it before he met Meghan. I’m sure he felt pissed off with them at times, and felt his father had been emotionally absent. He obviously has baggage about his mothers death, but generally he got on well with them and enjoyed family relationships .
He never liked being open to public scrutiny and didn’t enjoy that’s aspect of it because ir limited his freedom. He wasn’t able to be a normal Army officer either. In addition he hated the Press.

When he met M he was getting really desperate to settle down and have kids like his brother, and his two previous relationships hadn’t worked out, partly because they couldn’t handle the scrutiny and expectations. When he met M he was bowled over. She seems worldly wise, confident and wanted all the same things he did. Or so it seemed. So he thought finally he had found the one. He wasn’t going to let anything stand in his way so he charged on. She on the other hand was at a turning point in her life. Her relationships hadn’t worked out either, her series was coming to an end. She wanted to hit the big time, either career wise or money and status wise . She was bowled over by his status and the novelty of him being British and rich. They rushed into marriage without much real thought or consideration. She thought she could do what she wanted to in her role as Harrys wife. All doors would be opened to her and she could be a big player on a worldwide stage. Fame and adulation, in another acting role so to speak. She hadn’t considered the restrictions, the scrutiny, the hide bound nature of the institution. The hierarchy. Or the history of a country she seems to know little about.

She became angry and felt trapped quite quickly as the reality of her situation began to dawn on her. I imagine as she became more disillusioned, she became desperate to get out and go back home. Most probably she wasn’t well liked or tolerated in the RF , because she is very vocal and dominating . We could see this quite early on She’s from a very different culture and seems to have no interest in learning about the country she was now living in. Perhaps she interpreted wariness and distance as racism. Perhaps she lacked the insight into her own behaviour to see that she might be the cause of some of her own problems . Treating staff with disdain , throwing her weight around, being demanding and expecting everything to be on her terms.

Harry, desperate to keep his wife happy, would do anything to appease her and took her side in every situation. Instead of trying to explain protocol or calm the waters, I suspect he began to get angry and throw his weight around too. The whole drama built and built as they both became more and more unhappy, seeing themselves as outsiders fighting the system. Feeling aggrieved when anyone tried to help or advise, urge caution or tell them they couldn’t have their way .

I think W and K kept their distance as they didn’t feel at ease with M and that was perceived as snobbery. Causing more anger and outrage. I do think Charles and the Queen tried very hard with them in every way, but this wasn’t enough to soothe the situation for long. Add in an increasingly hostile Press and all the subterfuge about Archie’s birth and the godparent business, and the toxic mess got worse.

Harrys friends apparently didn’t like Meghan and so they became a twosome set against the Establishment and all Harry had previously known and loved. Meghan talking about suicide would have triggered Harry in a big way, bringing back memories of his own mothers distress. So he felt backed into a corner and had to make a choice. His future with Meghan or his family. So he chose to burn all his bridges in a big hurry, thumb his nose at the RF and turn traitor.
Neither of them really had a clue how they would make a living or how any of the practicalities would work. They just bolted. I suspect Harry trusted M to know more about the Real World than he did.

The situation with Ms father didn’t help at all, as she was most likely emotional about that and felt humiliated by the Press reporting on the story. She probably expected the RF to be full of sympathy and support for her. Instead they probably felt embarrassed and bewildered by it all. So she took offence at that too.

I think in her mind she believed racism was at the heart of all her troubles in the U.K., so she seized on a remark Harry made about a relatives comments on skin colour. She imagined it was meant as a slur, not a light hearted comment made in jest as might have been the case. Harry didn’t seem to see it in the same way she did, even when he was speaking about it on OW. She twists the truth to suit her own ends or the way she genuinely sees things. She has her own lens, and she perceives things through the filter of her own prejudices and insecurities. Unfortunately she has convinced Harry that her own perspectives are the only ones worth bothering with.

They are two damaged , insecure people with a persecution complex. It’s a sad thing to see. I hope maybe the funeral has helped them gain a new perspective on things, but I doubt it.

antelopevalley · 19/09/2022 23:14

Nice fantasy story.

friendlycat · 19/09/2022 23:14

silver. A very perspective post. I agree wholeheartedly.

EdieLedwell · 19/09/2022 23:24

My prediction is that Harry and Meghan will come back more often, maybe even for Christmas. Not as "Working Royals", but as family members at first.

Then...who knows?

Charles needs a unified family behind him.

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bloodyplanes · 19/09/2022 23:30

SilverLiningPlaybook · 19/09/2022 22:52

In my opinion what happened is that Harry loved his family and was happy with his place in it before he met Meghan. I’m sure he felt pissed off with them at times, and felt his father had been emotionally absent. He obviously has baggage about his mothers death, but generally he got on well with them and enjoyed family relationships .
He never liked being open to public scrutiny and didn’t enjoy that’s aspect of it because ir limited his freedom. He wasn’t able to be a normal Army officer either. In addition he hated the Press.

When he met M he was getting really desperate to settle down and have kids like his brother, and his two previous relationships hadn’t worked out, partly because they couldn’t handle the scrutiny and expectations. When he met M he was bowled over. She seems worldly wise, confident and wanted all the same things he did. Or so it seemed. So he thought finally he had found the one. He wasn’t going to let anything stand in his way so he charged on. She on the other hand was at a turning point in her life. Her relationships hadn’t worked out either, her series was coming to an end. She wanted to hit the big time, either career wise or money and status wise . She was bowled over by his status and the novelty of him being British and rich. They rushed into marriage without much real thought or consideration. She thought she could do what she wanted to in her role as Harrys wife. All doors would be opened to her and she could be a big player on a worldwide stage. Fame and adulation, in another acting role so to speak. She hadn’t considered the restrictions, the scrutiny, the hide bound nature of the institution. The hierarchy. Or the history of a country she seems to know little about.

She became angry and felt trapped quite quickly as the reality of her situation began to dawn on her. I imagine as she became more disillusioned, she became desperate to get out and go back home. Most probably she wasn’t well liked or tolerated in the RF , because she is very vocal and dominating . We could see this quite early on She’s from a very different culture and seems to have no interest in learning about the country she was now living in. Perhaps she interpreted wariness and distance as racism. Perhaps she lacked the insight into her own behaviour to see that she might be the cause of some of her own problems . Treating staff with disdain , throwing her weight around, being demanding and expecting everything to be on her terms.

Harry, desperate to keep his wife happy, would do anything to appease her and took her side in every situation. Instead of trying to explain protocol or calm the waters, I suspect he began to get angry and throw his weight around too. The whole drama built and built as they both became more and more unhappy, seeing themselves as outsiders fighting the system. Feeling aggrieved when anyone tried to help or advise, urge caution or tell them they couldn’t have their way .

I think W and K kept their distance as they didn’t feel at ease with M and that was perceived as snobbery. Causing more anger and outrage. I do think Charles and the Queen tried very hard with them in every way, but this wasn’t enough to soothe the situation for long. Add in an increasingly hostile Press and all the subterfuge about Archie’s birth and the godparent business, and the toxic mess got worse.

Harrys friends apparently didn’t like Meghan and so they became a twosome set against the Establishment and all Harry had previously known and loved. Meghan talking about suicide would have triggered Harry in a big way, bringing back memories of his own mothers distress. So he felt backed into a corner and had to make a choice. His future with Meghan or his family. So he chose to burn all his bridges in a big hurry, thumb his nose at the RF and turn traitor.
Neither of them really had a clue how they would make a living or how any of the practicalities would work. They just bolted. I suspect Harry trusted M to know more about the Real World than he did.

The situation with Ms father didn’t help at all, as she was most likely emotional about that and felt humiliated by the Press reporting on the story. She probably expected the RF to be full of sympathy and support for her. Instead they probably felt embarrassed and bewildered by it all. So she took offence at that too.

I think in her mind she believed racism was at the heart of all her troubles in the U.K., so she seized on a remark Harry made about a relatives comments on skin colour. She imagined it was meant as a slur, not a light hearted comment made in jest as might have been the case. Harry didn’t seem to see it in the same way she did, even when he was speaking about it on OW. She twists the truth to suit her own ends or the way she genuinely sees things. She has her own lens, and she perceives things through the filter of her own prejudices and insecurities. Unfortunately she has convinced Harry that her own perspectives are the only ones worth bothering with.

They are two damaged , insecure people with a persecution complex. It’s a sad thing to see. I hope maybe the funeral has helped them gain a new perspective on things, but I doubt it.

Absolutely spot on

BreadInCaptivity · 20/09/2022 00:04

SilverLiningPlaybook · 19/09/2022 22:52

In my opinion what happened is that Harry loved his family and was happy with his place in it before he met Meghan. I’m sure he felt pissed off with them at times, and felt his father had been emotionally absent. He obviously has baggage about his mothers death, but generally he got on well with them and enjoyed family relationships .
He never liked being open to public scrutiny and didn’t enjoy that’s aspect of it because ir limited his freedom. He wasn’t able to be a normal Army officer either. In addition he hated the Press.

When he met M he was getting really desperate to settle down and have kids like his brother, and his two previous relationships hadn’t worked out, partly because they couldn’t handle the scrutiny and expectations. When he met M he was bowled over. She seems worldly wise, confident and wanted all the same things he did. Or so it seemed. So he thought finally he had found the one. He wasn’t going to let anything stand in his way so he charged on. She on the other hand was at a turning point in her life. Her relationships hadn’t worked out either, her series was coming to an end. She wanted to hit the big time, either career wise or money and status wise . She was bowled over by his status and the novelty of him being British and rich. They rushed into marriage without much real thought or consideration. She thought she could do what she wanted to in her role as Harrys wife. All doors would be opened to her and she could be a big player on a worldwide stage. Fame and adulation, in another acting role so to speak. She hadn’t considered the restrictions, the scrutiny, the hide bound nature of the institution. The hierarchy. Or the history of a country she seems to know little about.

She became angry and felt trapped quite quickly as the reality of her situation began to dawn on her. I imagine as she became more disillusioned, she became desperate to get out and go back home. Most probably she wasn’t well liked or tolerated in the RF , because she is very vocal and dominating . We could see this quite early on She’s from a very different culture and seems to have no interest in learning about the country she was now living in. Perhaps she interpreted wariness and distance as racism. Perhaps she lacked the insight into her own behaviour to see that she might be the cause of some of her own problems . Treating staff with disdain , throwing her weight around, being demanding and expecting everything to be on her terms.

Harry, desperate to keep his wife happy, would do anything to appease her and took her side in every situation. Instead of trying to explain protocol or calm the waters, I suspect he began to get angry and throw his weight around too. The whole drama built and built as they both became more and more unhappy, seeing themselves as outsiders fighting the system. Feeling aggrieved when anyone tried to help or advise, urge caution or tell them they couldn’t have their way .

I think W and K kept their distance as they didn’t feel at ease with M and that was perceived as snobbery. Causing more anger and outrage. I do think Charles and the Queen tried very hard with them in every way, but this wasn’t enough to soothe the situation for long. Add in an increasingly hostile Press and all the subterfuge about Archie’s birth and the godparent business, and the toxic mess got worse.

Harrys friends apparently didn’t like Meghan and so they became a twosome set against the Establishment and all Harry had previously known and loved. Meghan talking about suicide would have triggered Harry in a big way, bringing back memories of his own mothers distress. So he felt backed into a corner and had to make a choice. His future with Meghan or his family. So he chose to burn all his bridges in a big hurry, thumb his nose at the RF and turn traitor.
Neither of them really had a clue how they would make a living or how any of the practicalities would work. They just bolted. I suspect Harry trusted M to know more about the Real World than he did.

The situation with Ms father didn’t help at all, as she was most likely emotional about that and felt humiliated by the Press reporting on the story. She probably expected the RF to be full of sympathy and support for her. Instead they probably felt embarrassed and bewildered by it all. So she took offence at that too.

I think in her mind she believed racism was at the heart of all her troubles in the U.K., so she seized on a remark Harry made about a relatives comments on skin colour. She imagined it was meant as a slur, not a light hearted comment made in jest as might have been the case. Harry didn’t seem to see it in the same way she did, even when he was speaking about it on OW. She twists the truth to suit her own ends or the way she genuinely sees things. She has her own lens, and she perceives things through the filter of her own prejudices and insecurities. Unfortunately she has convinced Harry that her own perspectives are the only ones worth bothering with.

They are two damaged , insecure people with a persecution complex. It’s a sad thing to see. I hope maybe the funeral has helped them gain a new perspective on things, but I doubt it.

Pretty much this.

They both strike me (through their actions) as quite impulsive and quick to take offence/feel wounded.

Their exit statement was a clear example of them not thinking through their decisions/demands.

M absolutely was the victim of racist press and we should not sugar coat this.

Their paths were always going to diverge from W&C's and frankly I can understand why they wanted a different life from living in Frogmore (very nice, but compared to other senior Royal residences, like Royal Lodge or Bagshot Park it's a bit of a let down) doing the royal visits that are probably far less glamorous than M envisioned.

Upshot is they've made their beds now and I can't see a "comeback". It's certainly not something The King can facilitate whilst they keep throwing truth bombs to keep the money coming in.

I don't hate them. I actually feel a (tiny) bit sad for them. I think they had no idea about the consequences of some of the decisions they made (possibly in hurt/anger) and maybe only now are some of those being felt.

Ultimately, I'm sorry to say that I think they'll fall foul of their own plans. They won't stay relevant for that long as their distance from the RF will dull their media glow as they have no more secrets to sell.

It could have been very different if rather than publicly flounce off, they'd taken the time to forge a new life having privately negotiated how to do that.

alphons · 20/09/2022 01:05

I’m not a fan of either of them (to say the least) but certain sections of the British press have treated and continue to treat Meghan appallingly. Not necessarily to spare Andrew, but because it sells papers (or the digital equivalent). People love to hate someone. It’s the modern version of stoning a harlot in the village square. Makes regular people feel better about themselves if they can look down on others.

Then again, MM doesn’t help herself. Loyalty, perspective, the long view, contextualisation, self-awareness - can’t associate any of these with MM. Not only does she seem to have not given anyone anything to look up to (frankly, have any of them?), she’s not even remained neutral and anodyne. Taking potshots from oberseas is so cowardly, so completely basic (to coin a phrase). She makes it so easy to have a go at her, then complains when people have a go at her. She was basically an influencer before she met him, and she’s still an influencer now just in more expensive clothes and in a bigger house and with a famous husband. Still thin-skinned, still hooked on herself, still hustling (I have a lot of respect for proper hustling: I’ll say one thing for MM, she knows how to get ahead in life with just her wits and her face!)

As for him: the family don’t half excel at birthing and raising petulant, spoilt man-children. You have to wonder at this man who you just know is going to have an entire adulthood defined by bitterness. What a waste of opportunity, privilege, good luck. Insulting the institution and your father, whose life IS the institution, well that is serious personal messiness. He needs to just keep his shit to himself or behind closed doors. Or, if he really does want to blow things up, do it properly. Expose the shit out of them all, let the facade crumble. He’s too cowardly and unintelligent to do that strategically though (also they won’t let him). Instead, he’s like a little boy throwing pebbles into the sea, hoping to turn the tide back.

Both of them would have gone up massively in my estimation if they’d refused to take part in any of the public aspects of the Queen’s passing. Just mourned her privately, en famille, no photos or walkabouts or anything else related to the relationship between the public and the institution. They clearly have nothing but disdain and resentment and bitterness towards the institution (can’t blame them personally!), really it was Harry’s grandmother’s death they left their kids behind for two weeks for. They should have just done the right thing as a grieving grandson, offered his condolences to his family members, and she could have supported him as a loving wife. Instead, it’s just another messy caricature of a sad prince and his seemingly sad princess of a wife.

cyclamenqueen · 20/09/2022 06:04

elizaregina · 19/09/2022 21:46

Andrew can Down sizes to a smaller home ? More beffitting of his fallen status? Adelaide cottage? Easier to pay for security.

He can down size to less flashy showy cars.

It’s actually cheaper to keep him secure if he stays ‘on campus’. If he goes and lives in a semi in Maidenhead head that’s going to be much harder, at the moment he’s in a secure area . A bit like a giant luxurious open prison.

BadgerB · 20/09/2022 06:10

SilverLiningPlaybook · Yesterday 22:52

The best summery I've read. Surely the truth, or very close to it.

cyclamenqueen · 20/09/2022 06:29

The difference with H&M isn’t that they didn’t just want out , they wanted to be free to exploit their connections with the Royal family to make money. They didn’t want to just go away and get a completely unconnected job.

obviously no one is saying that it doesn’t help that Zara is royal for her Rolex contract and Peter Philips has crossed the line a couple of times , but he and William didn’t talk for ages after Peter and Autumn sold their wedding photos to Hello. William especially has very few people he can trust not to talk and one of those was Harry.

bybthe way they weren’t being told they wouldn’t have security , just that it would be up to the security services to decide on the level based on their intelligence and that Harry would not have a say . This is the same for all people at risk in the U.K. .

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