Will Charles attempt to bring H&M back?

[EdieLedwell]

I've been wondering about this all week.

What do people think? Would William want that ? Would Kate?

Camilla has been his wife for almost all of my tax-paying life, meaning she’s a working royal. So no, I’ve no problem with him providing for her. And if he has made provision for her children from him private wealth (as opposed to money from the civil list) then I’d rather he hadn’t, and it needs to stop now that Charles is king.

He was providing all that money and security before they married, while still erm....... dating.

They are a dysfunctional family

Watching their interactions with each other today and over the last week, they don’t look dysfunctional to me.

Of course we don't really know what happened. But it does seem as if Harry left in a hurry and was then upset with being unable to control the terms of his severance package.

W&K have worked out in their own time - and with possibly lots of advice - how to handle a public role. They have to work with the media but William in particular has seen from his parents the problem of oversharing personal information with the media and that it's hard to "shut that door once it is opened". They allow well controlled access to their family life and have a good sense of what the media press want from them and try and get it right. They then work on their other working royal stuff and get the right headlines because on the whole there is no other dramas to write about.

H&M have been to the media with their grievances - repeatedly. They have sued the press on multiple occasions and have not made any real friends in the media in the process. Their focus in the USA and appear to have scant regard for the UK, so shouldn't be surprised that they garner negative headlines

The problem with the Netflix and Spotify deals were they were based on actually producing things and payments or lack there of reflected that.

they’ve had a lot going out and not a lot coming in.

if they came on mumsnet to complain most posters would say cut back on the expensive Polo rather than expecting a bail out from your dad.

If the loss of security was a surprise to him, he obviously didn’t know? Or did he know and fake surprise?

If security was a prime concern of him as a father thinking of his son, why didn’t he bring it up in negotiations? Because he thought he would automatically keep it? So then he doesn’t know, things he should.

Rules were bent for Camilla. And there was disapproval for it. So why would they do the same things again.

Andrew isn’t Charles son. I agree that shouldn’t happen and I hope Andrew, now he is no longer the son of a monarch that he loses his security.

and really ‘destroyers of marriages’ ? How long a good did Charles and Diana get a divorce? How long has Charles been married to Camilla? You need to let that go.

You seem to think you know better than people who were there. I haven posted anything that wasn’t in their interview. Anything I have posted is backed up by their own interview.

You insisted they worked for the Royals all through 2020, via zoom and worked more than other royals. Yet can’t seem to be able to point anyone towards anything that shows that.

If they came on mumsnet to complain most posters would say cut back on the expensive Polo rather than expecting a bail out from your dad.😆😆

I seriously read the title of this thread and wondered why the new king would be so into H and M (the shop) to intervene on a national scale for it. 😬

Haha 😂

Oh Jesus not the ‘are you ok’ thing again.
Who said Charles didn’t check his adult child Harry was OK? And by ‘check he was OK’ did you mean ‘slip him a few million’?

Maybe they could take in ironing?

😆

or set up an OnlyFans?

(I was just reading a thread about how to do it)

He was providing all that money and security before they married, while still erm....... dating.

But none of the money came me (as a tax-payer) or the monarch, so I don’t particularly care about it. What a member of the royal family chooses to do with their private wealth is nothing to do with me. I do think that changes when the person becomes monarch though.

Charles’ supposed vision of the monarchy where only working royals get money from the state and the rest of the royal family are expected to live on their (vast) private wealth is a vision I can agree with.

If the loss of security was a surprise to him, he obviously didn’t know? Or did he know and fake surprise?

Or maybe the rules were changed to what he is used to?

If security was a prime concern of him as a father thinking of his son, why didn’t he bring it up in negotiations? Because he thought he would automatically keep it? So then he doesn’t know, things he should.

Maybe he did, and was given the runaround ?

Rules were bent for Camilla. And there was disapproval for it. So why would they do the same things again.

Camila DID receive security. Charles took care of it. So even if H did not qualify under section1, Charles had already taken steps to take care of it in the past. Remember, they said , they would be working towards being financially independent, they did not say they are immediately independent, so why would Charles not check. And not take calls so that they alert him - he then says, no, they know exactly where they stand. They stop wasting time with the RF staff and push on with a speedy new life. They never proposed a speedy new line at the summit, they proposed half in and working towards the independence.

Andrew isn’t Charles son

No he is HMQ son. Who was the leader till last week.

and really ‘destroyers of marriages’

You know very well I was referring to this in context of the time when she received help. Which was before they got married.

Yet can’t seem to be able to point anyone towards anything that shows that.

No one asked me. Posters keep an eagle eye on MM, yet don't seem to recall any of her zoom calls. I guess since the BM refuses to publicise any positive news about the couple, they missed out on those. At some point, I can tell you the links, though you can find them on google and YouTube, if you really want to know.

If we , the UK want a royal family.want to see the children, want to parade them, we also need to support security in return for that role.

Seeing as it's also a born too role you don't choose, we should also accept we have to pay for someone of Harry's rank.

Btw does Andrew get security?

TBF, both Harry and Meghan don't seem to understand how the uk royal family works, and I'm not sure whose fault that is?

On the one hand, Harry should have been better prepared and briefed on public expectations of him growing Up. It seems that William was? At the same time, Harry didn't choose royalty, so is it right that he would be told how to live his life? I'm not sure.

Meghan is a bit different. Unlike Kate, she didn't date Harry for long before getting down the aisle. It's well known that Kate spent years researching and preparing for her role. I'm not sure who helped her do that? William? The Queen? Wikipedia? Either way, she did it and she did it well.

I think someone needs to sit them down and give them the facts on their roles, and what happens if they abandon them.

But none of the money came me (as a tax-payer) or the monarch, so I don’t particularly care about it. What a member of the royal family chooses to do with their private wealth is nothing to do with me. I do think that changes when the person becomes monarch though.

This is about Charles as a father.

If someone works, they should be paid ofcourse. But I'm baffled what kind of father and grandfather he is.

My thinking is that he knew exactly how their financial situation was, how money is dealt with, after all he had been responsible for it forever. It comes across like he wanted to have them come grovelling back, penniless. Did not happen.

He doesn't get security seeing as he's a non-working Royal. Even the working Royals don't get that much, and HMQ would often walk around with a single protection officer. It's only H&M that seem bothered by it.

they had plenty of money leaving, if they spent it badly, surely that’s on them. They are adults.

As long as Andrew buggers off I don’t mind.

But as I said, Charles knew very well that he was responsible for both William and Harry's finances. Including their familles, homes and even clothes. Up until just last week, even 40yr old William was financially taken care of by Charles.

H&M came with a proposal. Asked to work towards independence, told no. Yet he does not check if they have reached that 'towards' they are referring to. Knowing very well his family does not work like yours and mine. But he can see the need for Camilla and family? wtf?

H&M are obviously not complaining about money now. They have their deals, but the whole thing about Oprah was to clarify what took place, and how relations got frosty.

Aargh, whatever !

You’re ignoring two things:

a) Charles kept funding Harry & Family for a while after that year was up.

b) you’ve no idea what Charles checked with Harry and when.

Oh my word.

The rules didn’t changes He wasnt going to be a working Royal.

You have gone from ‘why wasn’t it brought up at the summit?’ To ‘Harry might have done and given the run around’ . If he did mention it and was given the run around, the shock he expressed in his interview was fake. What were the words earlier you used? You described it as snatching the security away. He could only be surprised if he thought he was keeping it.

I didn’t say Charles didn’t pay for Camilla. But there was back lash so he wasn’t likely to do it again. And he did continue to finance them until June. Harry is a multi millionaire. He had the ability to be financially independent.

It really shocked me that anyone could think he didn’t have the ability to be independent. They have succeeded so obviously didn’t need further cash injections.

I don’t keep an eagle eye on MM. But I do remember them moving before the lockdowns hit. I also remember Harry saying in his interview that they were finances ro the end of quarter one of 2020 then a correction that it was the end of quarter one of the financial year. He didn’t point out that he was still a working Royal when cut off. If that was the case, then I think more people would have had sympathy.

There was no years gardening leave, another bit that you made up. There was a year period where their decision would be revisited.

Post some links where they worked for the royal family after march 2020. Surely Harry would have mentioned in his interview that he was cut off whilst still working for the Royal Family?

I imagine they did plenty of charity work. Some even connected to the RF. But not as working Royals.

I wonder whether some misunderstandings occurred (because we don't really know what happened) simply because both Charles and Harry have led such privileged lives?

Let's be honest, neither of them probably had a clue how much anything cost, from running a mansion in California to paying for security. Perhaps Charles assumed that Harry's inherited wealth was more than enough to live very comfortably until he could make his own money and Harry equally had no idea how much his security cost (probably quite a packet) and just assumed it would be part of the deal.