What now for M&H

[OliviaBean]

I find the whole family and royal family (The Firm) aspect of Megxit very interesting.

Just wondering what now for M&H? Will they continue on with the strategy of talking and writing about the royal family or will things now change? I think the half in half out strategy on their terms would have worked for M&H but I think the RF were right to knock it on the head, it would never have worked for the RF, Harry was ready to go and Meghan was never going to just slot in with the system.

Just looking at Harry, I think the guy really needs the whole circus of fighting with the RF in public to stop, for his own mental health. He obviously has issues that he needs to come to terms with, he really needs to do this in private but this is at odds with how they need to make money now. I really fear for him the person.

If they keep going with the fighting then I think that's it for them and the RF. If they are to reconcile with the RF, how then do they make a living? I would imagine QE has left quite a provision for Harry in her will so perhaps the money making aspect will be less of a priority. I could see Charles being more open to a reconciliation but not sure about William.

Not trying to start a thread to bash anyone, just interested in other opinions.

I agree with this.

Many posters have said this time and time again - that they have had their earlier positive opinions / hopes transformed by witnessing, hearing and experiencing H&M directly through their own unfiltered words and actions via their speeches, talk shows, interviews podcasts etc.

Yes that tabloid stuff is gross (and shouldn’t be allowed) but it’s not what’s influencing the opinions of many on these threads as they don’t access it.

@MaulPerton your point “Their 'supporters' do them a disservice, using them as vehicles for their own ends.” - is also interesting - what do you think their own ends could be?

I think they're in a tricky position. H&M's fame currently relies on their willingness to spit 'turth bombs' about how difficult they found life as part of the Firm due to being trapped and being victims of racism. Without that juicy 'tea', or even just the threat of it, which Megan coyly trailed in her recent 'the Cut' interview, they genuinely don't have much going for them. They are not activists and they are not good spokespeople for mental health and compassion. So if they want to stay in the limelight, they have to keep bashing the RF.

The problem is, that's no longer a good look now that the Queen has died, Charles has shown his own compassion and forgiveness in his barnstorming first speech, and Britain enters a 12 month period of renewed interest and positiove feeling for the monarchy. H&M's sour grapes and bitterness just doesn;t fit in with that. Not even in the US, where many people loved the Queen and are looking orward to W&K's tour there later this year.

Charles' firm dismissal of H&M, couched in the language of love, was one of the cleverest parts in his speech on Friday. That man is truly no pushover.

The other option would be to drop all the 'truth bombs' and try to get back into the RF fold, kiss and make up. I would say that would take a very long time as too many hurtful things have been said and William is an inveterate grudge holder. It would also mean that H&M have less juicy gossip to give out, so less interest in them from that angle too.

So, they are genuinely in a tricky position. I don't think H is clever or mentlaly well enough to forge a path forward and I think M is narcissistic enough to determinedly try to keep doing what she's doing and hope it works.

It'll be very interesting to see how it all turns out.

Me too Reading It actually makes me seethe. Did the posters who use this term watch the progress of the cortege through the magnificent Aberdeenshire countryside?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monarchy_of_the_United_Kingdom

I know a couple of people who were in that crowd, the side that got H & M, no audible groan, I’ve seen their footage, just lots of excitement that they were there, which seems inappropriate but that’s the public. Maybe it was just a few people which wouldn’t be a shock. I’ve seen plenty of tiktoks from the crowd on both sides and all seemed similar. Condolences being given and some other chat, everyone very pleasant. Lots of supportive and unsupportive comments for both ‘sides’ on social media. There’s certainly no clear ‘winner’, no clear ‘negative image’ for M & H, other than on mumsnet and a few bits of idiot press/reporters. Definitely nothing to say the RF have come up smelling of roses. Even on here, I’m seeing more people having sympathy for M & H.

IRL, my experience is that people are neutral or have some sympathy for H & M, sympathy for a family that we are made to feel are at war. Most people realise that no one is all good or all bad and you don’t pick a side when you don’t know everything that happened and we likely never will.

Some people get very carried away defending their ‘side’ to the point they’re attacking the appearance of the woman on the ‘other side’. These people really need to be a bit more sensible. They’re so caught up in what they’re reading in gutter press. But then I see footage of the public grinning and waving at tv cameras a few hours after the Queens death and taking selfies when apparently paying their respects and remember that many of these people are those picking a side. There’s a lot of stupid people around that just want a bit of drama and gossip, the death of the Queen is an event for them, loving or hating Meghan or Kate is a sport for them.

Exactly! 👍

Thank you for this.

I know a couple of people who were in that crowd, the side that got H & M, no audible groan, I’ve seen their footage, just lots of excitement that they were there, which seems inappropriate but that’s the public

People insist on lying and i'm not sure why.

The my mate said they were/weren't boos is pointless as people will say what fits their agenda. Much of it was filmed though and people can surely make their own minds up.

The vitriol is unhinged

I am kind of blackly amused by this, given that the thing above all other that we’ve been seeing over the last few days is the extent of the “silent majority” - the people up and down the country (and around the world) who don’t write newspaper columns, don’t converse on twitter, don’t subscribe to the fashionably cynical media viewpoints and just genuinely, demonstrably, respected the Queen and what she stood for, and clearly also respect Charles and the role he has taken on.

The very last photo taken of the Queen was of her standing in front of her fireplace in Balmoral, which featured in its decorations the motto of the Scottish Kings and Queens . “Nemo me impune lacessit” - “No-one comes at me and gets away with it” more or less. Meghan and Harry have been coming at the Queen’s family and institution for the last two years. The fact that this hasn’t made them popular doesn’t really seem that surprising to me.

Earning your own money by selling gossip about the rf? Not sure that is golden tbh.

WHERE have they sold gossip about the rf, why do you have to lie?

One interview with Oprah is selling gossip?!!

Mike Tindall who actually talks about the royals on his podcast gets no shout. The media covers his story as cute anecdotes.

Mike Tindall Says Prince Louis's Platinum Jubilee Funny Faces Were Thanks to a "Sugar High"

I can't see them ever needing to struggle. Long before Meghan, Harry had enough years of being a working royal in the UK to know that he didn't want it so I doubt he is yearning to come back to that. If anything his granny passing is one more reason to continue with the decision they made. his dad is mod 70's so yes he would be useful for them to pass on some of the dreary tasks that they do but I can't see that being of interest to him. They have made their decision and were within their rights and I'd say that is the good side of being the younger brother. He will have the freedom to raise his children as he wishes.

I've read that W&K&H always got on well before M. Is that because they could treat him as their pet and now he has his own family here and the US they can't do that.

I’m not calling anyone a liar, there may have been pockets of people that groaned. I’m sure the woman that refused to shake her hand that there was a thread about and the woman in sunglasses that refused but then filmed Meghan probably groaned. But there was no groan on the footage I saw, lots of gasps and excited, ‘its H & M’. So it wasn’t like most of the crowd were groaning from what I’ve seen and been told.

Jobless looneys like yourself OP will continue to run thread after thread about them.

I did watch footage from various media outlets which gave a better view than you would have had. People were desperate to speak to or shake hands with Harry and Meghan.

'WHERE have they sold gossip about the rf, why do you have to lie?'

'One interview with Oprah is selling gossip?!!'

Finding Freedom? That they didn't collude in oh noooo except they did as it came out in court, but they forgot. As you do. They've made so many pa comments publicly. That does not compare to Tindall saying Louis pulled a face on his podcast, obviously.

I like Meghan. I hope she and Harry will find a way of life which suits them and their children and that they work things out with the Royal Family (if reconciliation is actually necessary and not a figment of fevered media imagination).

And the institution have been coming at Meghan for years. Meghan has done a grand total of two interviews referencing the RF, TWO.

Called her names in papers, called her a degree wife in the times, bragged about briefing against her in the press. Sources gleeful briefing that H&M would be shipped to Africa, Meghan banned from wearing jewels. Nonsense after nonsense.

Your whole Queen dies and the first thing those dummies brief is that they were incredulous at Meghan. Weirdos.

Like I said, there's a reason you lot have sh** floating in your rivers and a cost of living crisis. The tabloids have rotted brains, you vote Tories and you voted for Brexit 😂

H&M will be fine, I assure you. The UK will remain in shambles.

And people were very happy to get W & K too from what I’ve seen, admittedly only on tiktok. There’s so many tiktoks of the crowd and everyone seemed very pleasant, if a bit over excited in the circumstances. Kate seemed really lovely and very engaged when speaking to everyone.

Lovely, personal statement out from Harry about his Grandmother just now, by the way.

Thank you . I am calming down !
I was one of the thousands who lined the Scottish Roads yesterday and heard nothing but positivity and respect .
When the cortège approached there was total silence then spontaneous clapping as it hit home that HM had gone .
There is huge affection for The Queen ( and indeed most of the RF ) in the NE where she was seen not just as a Monarch but a neighbour .
That she died in her favourite place was fitting .

I’m always up for an interesting debate on contentious topics Meanderings, but giving the unhinged vitriol coming from you in your most recent post, I can’t see much point here.

'Like I said, there's a reason you lot have sh floating in your rivers and a cost of living crisis. The tabloids have rotted brains, you vote Tories and you voted for Brexit H&M will be fine, I assure you. The UK will remain in shambles.'

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'That she died in her favourite place was fitting'

Yes and how impressive seeing how Scotland has responded. The crowds lining the route, it was moving to see.

Also the scenery! Who knew the area around Balmoral was so beautiful, I bet Ballater will have an influx of tourists.

I think they were toning it down because of the queen (and Philip). Now that she's gone they can go full on tell all with names instead if suggestive comments.

Well, the general point still holds though. Uk’s standing as the 5th largest economy has been toppled by India now.

out of the top 5 largest economies in the world, three are in the East now (China, Japan and India).

and of the top 5, only 2 have 6%+ growth

the world is changing. US continues to have massive influence. Uk far, far less. It is getting to be a bit like the “Russia” of the west, a former powerhouse but no more.

colonial type mentalities simply don’t wash any more with most people who do matter (hint, these are not the ones with the royal mugs)

Yes that tabloid stuff is gross (and shouldn’t be allowed) but it’s not what’s influencing the opinions of many on these threads as they don’t access it.

But that's the point most of the nastiness is usually referenced from the tabloids. It has filtered now because they are called out and their usernames on it- but a couple of year - few months ago it was almost word for word.

I won't quote the username but the poster will know who I mean. One of the first posts I read from them on M&H stated very clearly that they were neutral - but there was not one positive post as they were comparing W&K. They would keep quiet when the evidence was against W&K and pop up to add their "research" to comments against M&H. I don't mind anyone airing their view and posters are free to post but when I see blatant contradiction when posters describe them selves as neutral- I tend to ignore their posts after a while.