What now for M&H

[OliviaBean]

I find the whole family and royal family (The Firm) aspect of Megxit very interesting.

Just wondering what now for M&H? Will they continue on with the strategy of talking and writing about the royal family or will things now change? I think the half in half out strategy on their terms would have worked for M&H but I think the RF were right to knock it on the head, it would never have worked for the RF, Harry was ready to go and Meghan was never going to just slot in with the system.

Just looking at Harry, I think the guy really needs the whole circus of fighting with the RF in public to stop, for his own mental health. He obviously has issues that he needs to come to terms with, he really needs to do this in private but this is at odds with how they need to make money now. I really fear for him the person.

If they keep going with the fighting then I think that's it for them and the RF. If they are to reconcile with the RF, how then do they make a living? I would imagine QE has left quite a provision for Harry in her will so perhaps the money making aspect will be less of a priority. I could see Charles being more open to a reconciliation but not sure about William.

Not trying to start a thread to bash anyone, just interested in other opinions.

What a lovely statement by Harry. Hopefully there will be reconciliation & forgiveness by all parties in time. Families are complicated.

Lovely statement by Harry .

@Meanderings why are you such a bitter hateful person?

Japan has an Emperor. Here he is sending condolences for the death of the Queen
www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/news/20220909_38/#:~:text=Japan's%20Emperor%20Naruhito%20has%20issued,of%20Britain's%20Queen%20Elizabeth%20II.

Nice statement from Harry. Hopefully things can move forward in a positive way for the family now

I thought the same.

They are in a very difficult position now. How can they go ahead with Harry's book now...certainly that is off the cards until next year at the earliest. I am sure all of their engagements and work was centred around the launching of the memoirs.

Even Meghan can't go on her usual round of interviews and has cancelled, because it would be in extremely poor taste.

Now the queen has died, it has put them in a very tricky place - should they do anything to further attack the family in mourning, the backlash would be enormous worldwide. If they stay quiet they will earn nothing.

They are snookered by events so to speak.

Given their failure to launch a new and expensive, ambitious LA jet set lifestyle in the US, I actually imagine they are considering all options now and must be considering coming back for some of the time. They have the perfect opportunity now to accept the olive branch offered, and have the option to reconcile and move forward - or do they go back and continue being paid to snipe and hurt the RF and eventually run out of fodder, money and anyone that will talk to them.

It is a fork in the road for them, a most definitive moment that will shape their lives and their children's lives for generations to come.

@derxa, and so? Japan has had its own share of royal gossip. But they don’t assume somehow the world admires them for having an emperor!

and nor do they believe that tourists visit Japan because they have an emperor.

you can start seeing how silly some of these things look from the outside.

we should be focusing on our economy, equality and progress.

The UK is utterly brain washed. Globally, i've never seen more people call out the disgusting smears and racism against H&M than the past couple of days.

Interesting conversations going on about your monarch's legacy as a coloniser, she is not as feted as people in here think.

The world is changing. US continues to have massive influence. Uk far, far less.

The world has already changed though! The UK’s influence has been massively declining since the end of WWII - this is not news (well, not to me anyway 😀).

Funnily enough though the one thing that has put the UK on the front pages and top of the news coverage all around the world has been the death of its sovereign. Soft diplomacy and historic longevity demonstrably has its attractions.

Please don’t do this. It’s uncalled for and absolutely unnecessary.

'Interesting conversations going on about your monarch's legacy as a coloniser'

Please read below, a pp posted earlier. Educate yourself.

'Also on this point, I think one of the true historic legacies of the late Queen’s reign is how she presided over, and supported, the peaceful path to democratic independence of the vast majority of the more than 70 overseas territories that made up the British Empire when she came to the throne. In the 70 years since this has meant that there are now only 15 nations where the UK monarch remains the Head of State. 36 countries are now republics, and five have different monarchs.Those where the Queen remains Head of State are all on a journey to their own independence too. I can’t imagine why anyone thinks that the UK Royal family is looking to prevent this, or stand in their way, given what we’ve seen in the last 70 years.'

I’m going to be in a former colony next week so I’ll be very interested to see the coverage there. It’s where my family is from so I’ll get the complete low down so to speak.

Out of interest where are you from Meandering?

Which parts of the world did the queen colonise? Most of my life she seems to have been going around the globe presiding over independence ceremonies. You know, the opposite.

But happy to be educated.

This is the really great thing about TikTok - everyone has a camera these days but then again I do worry about social media and cameras ala Black Mirror - it’s the dystopian reality where we have people going to see the palace and laughing, smiling, posing………

I believe they made a clear distinction in the Oprah interview between the family and The Firm E.g. the institution of the RF that is run by courtiers who have too much power behind the scenes.
I don’t begrudge them criticising the Institution and I don’t think they’ve attacked individual family members.

But that's the point most of the nastiness is usually referenced from the tabloids. It has filtered now because they are called out and their usernames on it- but a couple of year - few months ago it was almost word for word

That's a very tired argument. There is little evidence that the majority of posters on these threads are swayed mindlessly by media optics. In fact, it's the very opposite.

Who are all these British people who supposedly have a colonial mindset? I can't say I've ever met any. Even my late Grandparents born in 1905 seemed to be able to move forward from being part of an empire without a backward glance.
Sporting events are the main arena for a bit of jingoistic nonsense but that's universal.

'I believe they made a clear distinction in the Oprah interview between the family and The Firm E.g. the institution of the RF that is run by courtiers who have too much power behind the scenes.'

But she is head of that institution! They thought they could constantly criticise the institution while going to see granny for tea and that's 2 different things but it isn't. Everyone knows that. The Queen was just very tolerant and gracious and let them dig their own hole.

Was*

I just don't understand how things went downhill so badly, so quickly. The country was thrilled about the wedding. Charles walked Meghan down the aisle. She had spent Christmas with the RF before she had even married Harry, and gone to Pippa Middletons wedding reception. The RF and the country had (other than some ignorant throwback morons) welcomed her enthusiastically as a breath of fresh air. Then there was a lot of nonsense about Archies birth, when they said she had gone into labour hours after he was already born, and it seems like minutes later they were leaving the RF to live in Canada - and people on MN were shot down for saying Canada was a stepping stone to living full time in California, which is exactly what happened.

Can't say that I care to be honest. The Queen did a fabulous job but i think its time for the monarchy to end.

Yes there are a minority of extremists on both sides engaged in driving a binary, ultimately polarising debate which becomes unproductive and tedious.

On one side these extremists / haterz are influenced by the racist gutter press (and need to be called out) and on the other side these extremists / defenders just react with the standard Trumpian tactics of whataboutery, DARVO or spurious defending of the indefensible / unhinged (and need to be called out).

Many of us are interested in discussing, learning about and evaluating the interpersonal, intercultural and institutional dynamics, the bias (conscious and unconscious), the optics, the politics, the humanity etc. It’s a fascinating, ever changing, emotional spectacle to witness which impacts the individual, the family, our institutions and communities locally and globally - it’s micro and macro, nuanced and complex.

We see grey where others are committed to their black or white. We want to explore and open up discussion and perspectives when others want to shut in down with one their one rigid narrative.

Many of us wish to listen, learn and contribute via measured adult debate but it’s hard to do that above the bun fighting.

I come from a colonised country which has strong views (understatement!) about its history and don’t live in an echo chamber online or in real life - entirely by choice - so I am quite well aware that there are a huge variety of views out there. People can think and believe whatever they want (I just enjoying debating them 😀).

I read Marcie Alvis Walker’s post on instagram (blackcoffewithwhitefriends) where she talked about how its difficult to mourn a person who represents a legacy of oppression. It’s a long post but it’s well worth a read, and her closing words were I thought really striking” “I’ll extend mercy, knowing that someday when my time has come, I’d like someone to mercifully weep, despite all that’s terrible within me”.

She got lambasted for her choice of dress for the engagement pics
She accused of literally having a tiara tantrum
Making Kate cry
Her fathers pap walk

That's before they were married