What now for M&H

[OliviaBean]

I find the whole family and royal family (The Firm) aspect of Megxit very interesting.

Just wondering what now for M&H? Will they continue on with the strategy of talking and writing about the royal family or will things now change? I think the half in half out strategy on their terms would have worked for M&H but I think the RF were right to knock it on the head, it would never have worked for the RF, Harry was ready to go and Meghan was never going to just slot in with the system.

Just looking at Harry, I think the guy really needs the whole circus of fighting with the RF in public to stop, for his own mental health. He obviously has issues that he needs to come to terms with, he really needs to do this in private but this is at odds with how they need to make money now. I really fear for him the person.

If they keep going with the fighting then I think that's it for them and the RF. If they are to reconcile with the RF, how then do they make a living? I would imagine QE has left quite a provision for Harry in her will so perhaps the money making aspect will be less of a priority. I could see Charles being more open to a reconciliation but not sure about William.

Not trying to start a thread to bash anyone, just interested in other opinions.

^^*this is exactly how I feel.

There’s a lot of rightful criticism of the media but that doesn’t change the fact that H and M have acted appallingly.

They have a very real opportunity to carve out a niche for themselves on their own terms and be a genuine force for good. It would be good if this was the turning point where they dropped all the carping and half-truths and focussed on their future - which could genuinely be amazing.

Most people have an issue with Meghan because it feels as if she’s constantly making jibes about our royal family, having spent a tiny amount of time in it. Every interview continues to contain veiled threats and snipey comments. If she dropped all this bollocks, and focussed on what she says is her agenda, most people would eventually cut her some slack.

Years ago Camilla was hated. Now, most people have come round to think that she’s actually quite a decent person. There’s always a way back if you don’t continue to act like an arse.

This

@skullbabe

i’m making a joke about how ‘trapped’ she was.

Do you really think if she asked for her passport they would have refused to give it back ? Really ?

I certainly didn’t think Vanessa was a Meghan champion 🤣 hence my surprise with her questioning of Angela.

I am here for Dan Wooten and Angela Levin getting a dragging all over the net. 😂😂
You non-stop keep putting out negative energy, it will come back 10 times.

Love how random people are now opening up their eyes to the smear on H&M. That 'me you can't see' documentary the British media has been suppressing, is out now, and plebs can't believe they never saw the clips.

twitter.com/nadinebh_/status/1569310145468923904
and
twitter.com/ArchLiliHazMeg/status/1569407895187365888

People were impressed by that walk to thank the mourners.

Yeah. I would definitely not describe myself as a fan but here I am defending her when I should be working!! WTF. Because the criticism of her is unhinged.

I believe that you lose your autonomy as a member of the Royal Family. It’s something that you take for granted that if you wanted to just leave you could - but as someone who is a security risk (as a member of the royal family) you cannot just allow people to have that level of freedom. (Which someone born into it wouldn’t see as a loss but could absolutely be a loss for ordinary people)

@skullbabe

So you’re saying they kept her passport to keep her safe ?
are you saying they refused to give it back to her to stop her travelling

But they let her make 13 private trips and hid the details so she could travel in complete privacy

Exactly
The hatred of this woman is irrational. So much that I question how some of these posters conduct themselves in everyday life.

I have been on MN since dinosaurs roamed the earth and I have never seen anything like this irrational dislike of a person before. Ever.

How is hating lying irrational ?
you are making over simplistic points again ignoring the nuanced arguments put forward by people.

you can hate behaviour but still like the person. I’ve admired many things about Meghan on previous posts but refuse to give her a free pass on the lies.

The issue is not with whether she could take the trips private or not (of course she could) - the issue is one again of autonomy - she could not on a whim decide to take a flight to New York for example on her own. It’s a security issue - she would always need it to be cleared hence would not be allowed to hold her own passport. And for someone who had a level of independence for most of their adult life it would be difficult to accept. The people born into it wouldn’t have issue with it because they wouldn’t know any different.

We have heard so much from the anti Meghan group about the reasons they dont like her.

And a lot from the pro Meghan side about why she can be defended.

But we never hear from the pro Meghan group why they like her. So tell me, why?

To me, she is a symbol of consumer narcissism. She will consume the profits of the system and take millions, but she will not give back. Then, when somebody asks why she will not give back, she will cry that the system punishes her. And then will return to consuming the profits of the system.

NB: Here, "the system" is the UK public

What is she consuming from "the system", i.e. the British taxpayer?

Curious

We don't pay for that security, we don't pay for their house, we don't pay for their staff, like what?
What "millions" ??

But things like the wedding, it’s not unreasonable that she classes where they exchanged vows privately a few days before, as the day she got married. I believe others could say that and it wouldn’t be picked up on. But with Meghan it’s taken literally and she’s branded a liar.

We know a gay couple, who before gay marriage was legal, went to a solicitor and legally tied all their finances/assets together and then had a vow exchange. When gay marriage became legal, they got married. But if you ask them their wedding date, they’ll tell you the first one, as that’s when they feel they got married. I can imagine some homophobic idiot being pedantic about it because they’re filled with so much hate.

@Roussette
Well this is still the defence mechanism I was describing in my post. Let's move out of the defence and into the proactive, and you can answer my question first

@MissingNashville

i’ve not used that example at all, if you look at my posts

I’ve used the fact that the court report had to be amended as Meghan originally presented ‘alternative facts’ in her court documents, her grandiose anecdote about the SA people dancing in the street at her wedding like they did when Mandela was released’ and her assertion that she was a trapped victim without a passport despite making 13 trips abroad.

@MissingNashville

can you please explain to me how I’m wrong in the examples I’ve used ?

I have no idea what you have posted. I’m talking generally about people calling her a liar and the wedding thing comes up a lot.

The passport thing, we don’t know how easy it was for Meghan to have access to her passport and she may well have felt trapped.

The dancing in the street thing, it’s unclear who she was talking about. I read a cast member says he was the only South African and he said he didn’t say it. So people assumed she was lying. But there was also another, I think, South African man who said he did speak to her but couldn’t comment as he didn’t remember what they had spoken about. And then there’s always the possibility that someone said it that she thought was a cast member but wasn’t, maybe someone involved in the show though. But again she’s said cast member so unless it’s a cast member she’s totally making it up because they hate her. I imagine she talks to a lot of people and doesn’t always remember who said which comment. And of course there’s the possibility she’s lying. If it was said, I do think she was silly to repeat it as any comparison between a wedding and the situation with Mandela is ridiculous, even if it was said by someone.

Have a watch of The Behaviour Panel analysis that I posted above. That will bring you some clarity.

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Was typing. 😜 And I do have other things to do.

I’m not a Meghan super fan but I do think she’s being unfairly scrutinised every time she speaks and when people are just being so overly nasty about anyone who really doesn’t deserve it, I have an issue with it and feel compelled to comment. I think if you scrutinise what anyone says you’ll find fault, especially if you’re determined to. Anyway, that’s enough Meghan for me today.

interesting that pointing out that someone is lying is ‘unfair scrutiny’
perhaps Kelly Anne Conway can add that one to her list

Pettiness from the palace to let Andrew wear his uniform.

Humility from Harry to just let it go.

I'm sure he just wants to get this over and done with.

@notanotheroneagain

I would guess this is the queens final wishes. It’s a pity you call her wishes petty