What now for M&H

[OliviaBean]

I find the whole family and royal family (The Firm) aspect of Megxit very interesting.

Just wondering what now for M&H? Will they continue on with the strategy of talking and writing about the royal family or will things now change? I think the half in half out strategy on their terms would have worked for M&H but I think the RF were right to knock it on the head, it would never have worked for the RF, Harry was ready to go and Meghan was never going to just slot in with the system.

Just looking at Harry, I think the guy really needs the whole circus of fighting with the RF in public to stop, for his own mental health. He obviously has issues that he needs to come to terms with, he really needs to do this in private but this is at odds with how they need to make money now. I really fear for him the person.

If they keep going with the fighting then I think that's it for them and the RF. If they are to reconcile with the RF, how then do they make a living? I would imagine QE has left quite a provision for Harry in her will so perhaps the money making aspect will be less of a priority. I could see Charles being more open to a reconciliation but not sure about William.

Not trying to start a thread to bash anyone, just interested in other opinions.

Oh come on Roussette, you’re a softy really, aren’t you? Aren’t you? 😉😀

@Roussette

i think the only thing we can agree on is that we disagree 🤣

The term 'narcissist' is so overused that it's become meaningless.

Whether or not you think M was a brilliant actor or not, she was a self-made millionaire before meeting H - so it doesn't really matter how good she was.
She obviously works VERY hard and is VERY confident (and the latter is what gets people's backs up)

@garlicandsapphires

i think the confidence point is more nuanced.

If she was deep down super confident why would she make comments like the one that people were dancing in the street like they did for Mandela’s release ?

Yep

I'm sure confidence is nuanced, as it is with most people. The Mandela gaff is the sort of thing I'd say unthinkingly (well, it's not but you get my drift) and then cringe about afterwards. I thought it was massively taken out of context and twisted (as things with MM so often are)

Some people seem desperate to turn her into a dreadful bogeyman and...I really don't think she is.

There are big differences between being ambitious and social climbing
Confidence and arrogance
Highlighting causes and lecturing
Defining your boundaries and very bad manners
Telling " your" truth and the actual truth!

Total 😍

I think there's many things that annoy people about Meghan. (Disclaimer, I am not saying all the people think all these things negatively)

1. American. I have seen posts hinting at that over the years. A different culture and a way of doing things.
2. Divorced. I have seen criticism of this.
3. Bi-racial. Who knows, but we can't deny there has been an element of racism at different times in different places
4. An actress. I have seen posts which say things like... "well obviously.. she's an actress, that means she can put on an act and pretend to be sad"
5. She's confident. To me that's a good thing. But not in a member of the RF

There's probably more. That's my list for now.

The Mandela gaff is the sort of thing I'd say unthinkingly (well, it's not but you get my drift) and then cringe about afterwards. I thought it was massively taken out of context and twisted (as things with MM so often are)

God, yes. I am a bit foot in mouth at times. And if I try to correct I make it worse. Nothing awful but me being me.

The Mandela gaff is the sort of thing I'd say unthinkingly

The gaffe point is relevant in a live situation, we’ve all made gaffes and said things we regret

However this was a pre-recorded podcast produced, edited by archewell so was purposefully left in. Did Harry go along with it ?

Did she think that people would blindly believe her. I think gaffe minimises a clear lie

that gaffe is the type of thing Trump would say, and you’d be jumping up and down if he said it !

The WP and NYT would also be jumping up and down if Trump said it too

Part of the problem is that the Sussexes seem to take offense easily, but when they make gaffes such as the Mandela comparison, which really offended Mandela’s family, they don’t acknowledge it
(although perhaps they did privately contact Mandela’s family, who knows).

Plus no one came forward to confirm that they made the Mandela comparison, so it made her look like a fantasist. Of course, someone may have said it, but was too embarrassed to admit it when they saw how badly it was received.

But we aren't talking about Trump, are we? And every single day he said things like that, it was an onslaught of ridiculous exaggeration, lies, and unresearched nonsense. We aren't in that position with Meghan, whatever you might like to think.

it is her father who has the Emmy awards for his cinematography work, not Meghan for her acting.

If MM is as talented as her admirers suggest, rather than podcasts and documentaries, and vacuous and frankly suspicous charity ventures that seem to be gobbled up in expenses rather than money getting to some sort of needy, surely she could auditon for an acting role. If she was such a great actress, surely she could have her pick of roles ? Or maybe, like my friend, she is deluded with her own sense of importance.

I don’t think I have ever said she’s an actress on the level of Meryl Streep or Judi Dench - I think she has acted reasonably for the series she was on and was relatively successful as the show and her other ventures made her a millionaire.

(As an aside - I do find it amusing how sometimes Meghan is a terrible second rate actor and absolutely useless and other times she’s the most amazing actor especially whenever in public and has everyone fooled with her amazing craft - pick one people)

Her podcast series is not vacuous - I think that she does need to go back to the drawing board with Archetypes to come up with a more cohesive programme but these are editorial choices.

She has narrated one documentary about elephants in the spirit of being against poaching - hardly vacuous.

I’m not sure she wants to return to acting - however I think it would be a difficult thing to do under her circumstances.

Never said it was?

However, she was in a long running Series and made a lot of money out of it. That can't be disputed. 108 episodes

😆But none of these are negatives. The last is the sort of answer you'd give at an interview when asked what negatives you know about yourself. 'I may seem over confident at times' 'I work too hard'.

There’s confidence and then there is overweening arrogance and self absorption.
I keep reading about how hard working M is. How is this in evidence? She seems to live in luxury on Harry’s inheritance. I wouldn’t call a few podcasts hard work. Or giving interviews slagging others off and complaining about my lot. That isn’t work. It’s self indulgence.

What on earth was taken out of context - MM was quoted . If the writer got it wrong I am pretty sure there would have been a correction .
Was the “ fire” story also taken out of context ?

But none of these are negatives. The last is the sort of answer you'd give at an interview when asked what negatives you know about yourself. 'I may seem over confident at times' 'I work too hard'.

"Sometimes I'm just too focussed on getting everything right"

Re the point Roussette made about confidence. I don't think confidence is a bad thing in anyone but I should think you would need to have confidence to cope with the life in the spotlight that the RF face constantly.

I’ve an alternative list of things that annoy people about MM.

1. she lies in interviews
2. she lies in podcasts
3. she lies to the court

a gaffe is something someone says which embarrasses them and they regret
Mm had no embarrassment or regret about her comments or she would have edited them out.

You talk like she gives a weekly interview slagging people off as you so quaintly put it.
She did the OW interview, that's it !
Before you mention the podcasts, that is not an interview, it's a backwards and forwards talk with a guest

Give me examples of her 'overweening arrogance' (what a nasty term)
Interestingly in all the years I have been on these threads I honestly don't think I have heard her called arrogant before

If you have true confidence you don’t need to lie to make yourself sound better.