What now for M&H

[OliviaBean]

I find the whole family and royal family (The Firm) aspect of Megxit very interesting.

Just wondering what now for M&H? Will they continue on with the strategy of talking and writing about the royal family or will things now change? I think the half in half out strategy on their terms would have worked for M&H but I think the RF were right to knock it on the head, it would never have worked for the RF, Harry was ready to go and Meghan was never going to just slot in with the system.

Just looking at Harry, I think the guy really needs the whole circus of fighting with the RF in public to stop, for his own mental health. He obviously has issues that he needs to come to terms with, he really needs to do this in private but this is at odds with how they need to make money now. I really fear for him the person.

If they keep going with the fighting then I think that's it for them and the RF. If they are to reconcile with the RF, how then do they make a living? I would imagine QE has left quite a provision for Harry in her will so perhaps the money making aspect will be less of a priority. I could see Charles being more open to a reconciliation but not sure about William.

Not trying to start a thread to bash anyone, just interested in other opinions.

The most I can get from Royal reporters on twitter is that:

Working members of the Royal Family will wear military uniforms at five ceremonial events during this period of mourning for the Queen, including the state funeral. Andrew, as a non-working royal, won’t - except as a special mark of respect at the final vigil in Westminster Hall.

I too think that’s a mistake, but their decision (it might well have been the Queen’s decision, in fact - we will likely never know).

Hopefully these events will be the last time we see Andrew in public (well, dammit, I guess he will rightfully attend the Coronation, but fingers crossed he get Covid again…)

Oh crikey . How many times will the security issue be discussed and explained ?
Hopefully someone like @Serenster will come along and explain it much better than me .

Neither or both.

I don't understand Smilesy, wherever Harry was be would have flown over so to say he wouldnt be included when the vigil is over a week after her death is odd

Either both wear uniforms according to their ranks. They both served in conflicts after all. Or neither.

Also, given that the vigil they are talking about is not tonight, but in six or so days’ time, they could well backtrack I guess if general reaction is the same as ours?

(Although, I don’t expect most people are as invested as we are, of course! 😂 )

I think the issue is that every time we see H&M in public, it inevitably feels like content for their next interview or book.

I agree, @hop321, although I really hope that isn't the case at this sad time, it would be so disrespectful to the Queen's memory. I don't think their family (esp. William) feels that they can trust them atm, though, he and Kate probably watched every word they said when they met for the walkabout.

It must be horrible to feel so constrained with a sibling whom you were once close to and grieved with for your mother. I hope they can get past this.

' Harry knew what the sacrifices would be and was still happy to continue with his/their plan. I doubt he cares that much, and probably just wants to think about his Granny right now.'

Yes let's hope he can reassure himself it is what granny wanted. That is what counts surely.

At the end of the day we are the fools arguing about the clothing options of two over indulged middle aged men

I take the view of "neither or both" wear uniform and I think if they do they should wear those of the genuine ranks they held during their military service.

Scobie has been reporting for US TV. Telling people that the Queen's coffin will be taken from Scotland to the UK by train.

Scobie reminds me of Burrell.

The security issue is extremely simple.
As the Queen's son and someone that resides permanently in the UK Andrew is entitled to security.
Harry now resides in the US as a non working royal. Therefore his security is paid privately (as it should be, can you imagine the costs of 247 overseas security) The issue is that Harry feels he should have security on tap when he comes to the UK. The MET are not a security company, they don't work to order and you can't 'buy' their services. They are tax payer funded. So the MET have rightly said no, there are plenty of private security services that can cover Harry when he is here in the capacity of a non working royal (basically here to make money etc) The Royal protection is included automatically with state events. Harry wants it at any time at his disposal and our system does not work like that. If he were to win his court case it would mean many other celebrities or people of interest, even those that are part of terrorism groups that are hated by the public could/would also demand state funded protection. So it simply can not be done. Harry doesn't seem to accept this, despite understanding how the reasons.

When you put it like that! 😂

Harry wasn't wearing military uniform for Philip's funeral either. So why would this funeral be any different?

Andrew isn't wearing uniform now with his siblings, he's just got his medals on the coat.

Has it been announced exactly which members of the RF will be keeping vigil? As they have announced that A will be allowed to wear uniform it seems that he is one, as the son of HMQ. I am guessing Prince Edward and Prince William will also be included but I haven't seen that announced. That leaves one other. Would that be the King or does his new role preclude that. If Harry is the 4th then he should also be allowed to wear uniform if he wishes to.

Exactly. Who cares if Harry wears a uniform or not. The Queen's children have lost their mother. They're more important this week whatever people think

I agree, I don't care what people wear.

@Kissingfrogs25 - well explained about the security, thanks

Or perhaps MM is being purposefully fed the wrong info so that they can catch her out, a lá "Wagatha Christie"?

I don’t think if the men did ?

Or perhaps MM is being purposefully fed the wrong info so that they can catch her out, a lá "Wagatha Christie"?

Thank you . Much better than anything I could have written .

Is Andrew still middle aged. That's good news I've got a few years ahead of me still. 😊

I’d guess whatever arrangement are being made about uniforms, they were the queens instructions, so hopefully they can get on with it without drama.