What now for M&H

[OliviaBean]

I find the whole family and royal family (The Firm) aspect of Megxit very interesting.

Just wondering what now for M&H? Will they continue on with the strategy of talking and writing about the royal family or will things now change? I think the half in half out strategy on their terms would have worked for M&H but I think the RF were right to knock it on the head, it would never have worked for the RF, Harry was ready to go and Meghan was never going to just slot in with the system.

Just looking at Harry, I think the guy really needs the whole circus of fighting with the RF in public to stop, for his own mental health. He obviously has issues that he needs to come to terms with, he really needs to do this in private but this is at odds with how they need to make money now. I really fear for him the person.

If they keep going with the fighting then I think that's it for them and the RF. If they are to reconcile with the RF, how then do they make a living? I would imagine QE has left quite a provision for Harry in her will so perhaps the money making aspect will be less of a priority. I could see Charles being more open to a reconciliation but not sure about William.

Not trying to start a thread to bash anyone, just interested in other opinions.

It's SHOCKING, I can't believe there are people trying to excuse this. Unbelievable.

@Meanderings Andrew probably has an exception because that was the Queen's instruction for her own funeral. We know that Prince Philip planned his own funeral to a T. I imagine the Queen has done the same..

I don't agree with it either but people tend to be able to dictate what happens at their own funerals.

It will be a kick in the teeth for Harry that the Queen made exceptions for Andrew and not him I agree.

At the end of the day the Monarchy protects itself and its own. Andrew, whilst repugnant in the eyes of the world has not publicly criticised either the Queen or the Monarchy. God knows what BS he fed the queen about his disgrace.

Piffle

As I imagined, his Mother has decreed he can

@meanderings I am not making excuses. I wish people would stop insinuating that anyone who seeks to point out the legalities and practicalities of the situation surround Andrew is in any way apologising for his loathsome, boorish and entitled behaviour.

'That tweet is from Scobie. He doesn’t have a great track record at knowing what is actually happening at the moment.'

Yes he's more a Take a Break style of reporter. Let's see if a reputable source confirms it.

Having said that they should either both wear uniforms as ex servicemen without all the honorary tassles etc or neither. To allow PA to and not Harry would be a mistake and play into H's victim narrative.

What legalities? What practicalities?
There aren't any
The RF have decided that PA is worthy of wearing a uniform at the vigil
And Harry isn't

Some posters on here are actually laughable! Fwiw I think Andrew is an odious cretin but to suggest he was being " handsy" with his own daughter is laughable! So people are allowed to see this and make disgusting inferences about him given his past behaviour but they are not allowed to see Meghan at Windsor and tell the actual truth about what happened as i stated in a pp i was actually there! Meghan and Harry have also behaved despicably and people will judge them for it like they judge Andrew! The only difference being that there is actual proof of the vile things H&M have said and done but with PA its all here say because it never went to court, and the reason it never went to court was because THE QUEEN paid for it not to!!!! Ostensibly this was because she didn't want the monarchy dragging through more mud slinging after all the H&M stuff but I doubt we will ever know the real truth! I do think it shows how deranged and hell bent on believing anything regardless of facts M&H supporters are that they will completely ignore FACTS when it comes to them but happily spout unproven allegations that PA is a paedophile like they are facts! Also I don't think PA nor PH should be allowed to wear military uniforms!

@smilesy I completely agree. We are also talking about hereditary privilege. The entire basis of it is unfair and unequal. Why are people expecting some kind of democratic process as to who gets to wear uniforms and who doesn't.

To allow PA to and not Harry would be a mistake and play into H's victim narrative

Can you blame him?
I'd be seething

This is not a reason for the decision - at the Queen Mother’s funeral it was her four grandsons who stood vigilant - Charles, Andrew, Edward and Viscount Linley (as he was then, now Earl Snowden). Neither Edward nor Viscount Linley wore uniform.

Both should be allowed to wear their uniforms because that, as far as I can make out, is in line with current military regs 👩‍⚖️ 😁

Thank you. Yes

People here pretending they wouldn't be utterly fuming to be treated worse than an alleged nonce.

And this isn't the only thing, Harry is fighting in court for the privilege to pay for his own security while Andrew gets it for free.

IF this is the case, this is when I lose patience with the RF and their mixed messages
And I've seen enough of the Andrew apologists on the other thread about him

What legalities?

You don’t like them, but they are absolutely clear - he may well have been deservedly convicted in the court of public opinion, but he has not been charged with any crime, nor convicted of any crime, and he does not have any civil litigation findings against him either.

Legally, his name is clear. His reputation is mud, but that doesn’t change the legalities.

'Can you blame him?'
'I'd be seething'

Well yes we all know he does seethe at every opportunity. However in this case I agree it would seem tone deaf but as I've said are we going on gossip scobie or has it been announced that PA can but H can't?

@Roussette i was talking in more general terms about the way people react whenever PA is mentioned. I didn’t mean In this particular situation. And before you jump on me, I don’t think he should wear uniform, but given that he is part of the vigil, I think he has to as everyone else will. And if Harry is part of the vigil, so should he. I remain to be convinced that Harry will be, however, as he would not have been expected to be here and so I imagine that arrangements for the vigil were not made to include him. I could be wrong as I said.

Just don't! Next minute it'll be the old innocent until proven guilty crap

@Serenster thank you for putting what I was trying to say more elegantly than I did.

Andrew has really screwed it for them. If he hadn't disgraced himself then he would obviously be in uniform. They could have then easily said to Harry - look this is obviously a one off but if you want to, you can wear a uniform to the Funeral. Preferably one that he achieved through his ranks in Army and not one of the nicer ones they gave him for top ranks he only got because he was a working royal.

Andrew is not wearing uniform to the funeral

If that is the case I think it is a mistake . Neither of them should wear military uniform.

Why does the uniform matter? Harry knew what the sacrifices would be and was still happy to continue with his/their plan. I doubt he cares that much, and probably just wants to think about his Granny right now. You seem to be aggrieve for Harry - but Harry choose this for himself and his life, this is what he wanted.

Yes, if true it really is a mistake. I personally couldn't care less but fgs after seeing H walking with PW at Windsor the last thing we need are any slights or grievances at this very delicate stage.

But he will wearing one at the vigil 😐