Do you think they knew the Queen was about to die last week?

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Do you think that they knew that the Queen was about to die last week? It seems that they probably did on the actual day because there was some decline and Charles and Anne hurried to be with her. But they were both in Scotland at the time so reasonable handy.

But the rest of the family were not there and didn’t make it there until after her death. But maybe that was the plan so that she could die quietly and only Charles and Anne would be present, so that it didn’t draw attention and turn into a media circus.

I know it doesn’t matter, but I just wondered if it was a carefully crafted plan to give the Queen some peace at the end, or if it actually came as a bit of a surprise last week?

I think the same, I thought the poor woman looked awful. But it would have been a huge deal for her not to make that meeting - constitutionally, and in terms of the attention it would have drawn. I imagine all concerned were in agreement that it needed to happen and I imagine no one understood that more than the Queen herself. Terrible timing but unavoidable.

That Lady Colin Campbell posted on YouTube half an hour before the official announcement. I have no idea how true it is.

@PurpleHeatherBlooms

That's not a source.

Exactly. I'm no Royalist but I have enormous respect for the late HM QEII.

Given she missed so much of the Jubilee & has been quietly resting in Balmoral since, I imagine that everyone knew it was coming (cancer rumours poss true given her sudden weight loss & frailty? - we will never know if this or a stroke or she just 'went to sleep) But the 'actual day' is hard to predict in any case.

In many ways it doesnt matter anyway -
I am glad for her that she died quickly & privately & I hope peacefully/painfree (more than my Mother achieved a few weeks ago, or my partner in March)

It was not a huge shock as a lot of people didn't think she would make the jubilee. She obviously declined a lot since she lost her husband. The end seems to have been very quick and peaceful which can only be a blessing for the family and I am sure they will take comfort in that.

When you think about it now I think many of us were naive in not thinking the end was near when she could only appear on the balcony twice, and the second time it was only a last second decision.

Given what’s happened it’s actually remarkable now she appeared at all. The second one when the camera focused on the Union flag on the pole at Buckingham Palace for minutes before it was lowered and the Royal standard raised to tell people she was in the building, that was a great moment. We wouldn’t have thought then that was it, but really we should have.

I actually said I don’t know how true it is. 🙄

I actually said I don’t know how true it is. 🙄

You also quoted me asking for a source, so 🤷🏻‍♀️

they said at the jubilee not to depend on her arriving

If it was 30 mins before the announcement, then loads of people knew by that point. Just about everyone who has ever worked in or near a newsroom, many who work for organisations which had a role in London Bridge - from those poised to ring the leaders of the dependent territories and POTUS, down to those who are checking there are enough chairs in the ops room.

I have a pet theory about an underlying condition, and the delayed effects of Covid might be a factor too (including delayed cardiac effects). Or it could be something else completely.

She was frail, but to all outside indications, enjoying a summer with family. She could have carried on like that for months or years (I think she would have stepped back further in the autumn).

And too religious to interfere with nature's course for when death comes

Ew what a poisonous woman! Just watched this, never heard of her, but she is obviously a Meghan hater and if that's the way the aristocracy have behaved towards Meghan all along no wonder her and Harry have acted as they have.

Like she'd have gotten over Covid in a week at the age of 96 with 'advanced cancer'.

Actually entirely possible. My mum with advanced cancer (she dies a few months later) only knew she had covid as she had to LFT before chemo. She had a sore throat.

I often wondered about it here because the decline was so very similar to my mums including losing her mobility.

But we'll never know and neither should we be told. It's private.

I just hope she wasn't in pain and it was peaceful. But I do believe it was unexpected in the speed at which it happened.

We were told my mum could remain how she was for days. She died 2.5 hours later.

I totally agree with this. People are speculating about illness/strokes and she must have had a cannula as her hand was bruised…if you look closely at that photo you see the ends of her fingers are pure white , which suggests lack of circulation, as happens with a person’s extremities when they’re starting to die.

I believe the Queen died of being 96, nothing more to it

I think she has a point about opportunists.

I think that it's fair to say that when you are 96 it does not take much to tip the balance, even with the best medical care. As another poster said, if HM was seriously ill it is hard to imagine that she would have recovered from Covid, though there may have been ongoing complications.

It is likely that we will not be told her cause of death, though details may be released in years to come.
The speculation about cancer is just that, speculation. And really none of our business.

The same should be said about why not all her family were present when she died. I'm sure they are all grateful that she had a comfortable and peaceful end, which is what many people hope for.
It is quite amazing that this lady was willing to spend her whole life in public service, in some cases putting it before her family life. Still working at 96 years old, though obviously ill, she met both Johnson and Truss last week and this gives us some indication of her dedication.

If it was a surprise to anyone that a 96 year old died, just 12 month after her life long partner of over 70 years, then they perhaps are a bit unaware of how humans often respond to both separation & old age

People who are aged at 96 are always frail and liable to die suddenly. We don't know that she 'very ill' as many on this thread are claiming. Yes, she clearly was quite weak and unable to move and stand well anymore, but that's not akin to a fatal illness she was suffering from. It's likely she had heart failure which finally gave in on Thursday morning, or she may have suffered a stroke or heart attack that morning. We will probably never be told the details. However, while the family probably knew her death was drawing nearer, I doubt they knew when it would be down to actual day or even week or month- that would be impossible to know.

No.

But she was 96 and very frail. And these things happen at that age. There a pages of posters describing that on other threads.

She was at work on Tuesday meeting Truss.

It must have come quickly given that some family didn't get there in time.

When the image of her shaking hands with truss emerged a lot of people thought her hands were bruised, but it was likely due to multi organ failure, many doctors publicly commented five days ago.

im no medic but I witnessed it first hand with my own grand mother, effectively at end stage all her organs started to fail and the discolouration appeared. I recognised it immediately when I saw the image of the queen it was identical. If I am wrong then it is a huge coincidence otherwise that she died the next day and was bearing the signs of multi organ failure 24 hours before hand.

If you also tie it to her weight loss, limited mobility, rare public appearances, many engagement cancellations, brief appearances that were incredibly brief, not able to really attend her own jubilee in the main, I think it’s fairly obvious.

Then tie in Charles and Anne ‘Co incidentally’ just happening to be in Scotland and close by. Ultimately cause of death may have been something else, my own grandmother primary cause was pneumonia, it could have been many things, inc heart failure, but yes I think she had an aggressive cancer.

If you also tie it to her weight loss, limited mobility, rare public appearances, many engagement cancellations, brief appearances that were incredibly brief, not able to really attend her own jubilee in the main, I think it’s fairly obvious.

Fairly obvious that she was 96!

😂

@Wisteriaroundthedoor

im no medic

Even if you were you are not a reliable source.

im no medic

Indeed 😁

My grandmother's hands looked like that for years before she died.

Maybe she died years ago.

They knew she was very frail and had lost weight but would not have know exactly when it would occur. I am pleased she passed swiftly. My own Mother was told she might have 3-4 months with advanced pancreatic cancer. She was very ill and in pain some of the time, and bed bound for last fortnight. She died after 5 weeks of not eating and only sipping water. I would have much preferred a quiet, quick and dignified passing for my Mum, like the Queen had.

I don’t think that much is left to chance with the management of the Royal Family

Well no, but even they can't control the timing of a death - or rather a natural death, remembering what happened with George V

It's not really our business, but FWIW I expect Charles and Anne were minded to stay reasonably close in view of her known frailty, and Charles stays at Balmoral in late summer most years anyway