Do you think they knew the Queen was about to die last week?

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Do you think that they knew that the Queen was about to die last week? It seems that they probably did on the actual day because there was some decline and Charles and Anne hurried to be with her. But they were both in Scotland at the time so reasonable handy.

But the rest of the family were not there and didn’t make it there until after her death. But maybe that was the plan so that she could die quietly and only Charles and Anne would be present, so that it didn’t draw attention and turn into a media circus.

I know it doesn’t matter, but I just wondered if it was a carefully crafted plan to give the Queen some peace at the end, or if it actually came as a bit of a surprise last week?

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@Dinoteeth St Paul's Waldenbuty was their main home, I think. But she onc said that her being Scottish was a bit over Di e as they "followed the birds" They moved around in accordance with hunting and shooting seasons. Like many upper class families did.

I think that family knew that it would be soon like before Xmas but obviously they didn’t know exact date. I think that’s why William and Katherine moved without doing any redecoration or anything. There was a big fuss in media about this and comparison with Harry and Megan’s move and big refurbishment but in reality William and Kate haven’t done much because they knew they would move again soon.
And I agree that clearly there was a lot of medical intervention involved to get this PM thing out of the way and it affected the situation. She definitely had unexpected turn for the worse after as the online Privy council was cancelled.
I also think that the Queen died in midday when media stopped the usual translation. However the main thing that she was 96 and had a good long life and hopefully died with her loved ones near by and would be remembered with love and respect.

It beggars belief that in this day and age, people starting these tedious threads don't know the basics in life:

• at 96 years of age, life becomes increasingly less predictable
• decline can happen very quickly, as was the case for HMQ. For the DofE it was a more gradual decline but it was still evident he was failing.
• life in general is unpredictable, shock horror we none of us know when we will breathe our last, there are no guarantees.
• there is no rule book out there nor a crystal ball that we can go to, which will give us the answers, so it is pointless speculating or churning through the detail. "They" didn't know, but will have had more of the inside track than we the general public had.

Private Eye which was printed before her death this week is complaining about the lack of reality from the palace. It claimed that the Queen is clearly extremely unwell, no longer doing the job, with loads of things being cancelled, and the Palace not facing up to it and no one in control.

PE have very good sources - they wrote about the H&M departure long before it happened, also C&D estrangement.

A couple of weeks ago they also mentioned that there would be a transfer of Monarch soon and that it was important to get a stable Prime Minister (ie not Boris) in place and settled in to manage the change over. So I imagine that her demise was expected in the next few months or within the next year but nothing as soon as this.

Not a reliable source

Oh God, not this again.

in reality William and Kate haven’t done much because they knew they would move again soon.

this is especially true given the King's intention to keep a close eye on Royal expenditure, he will have discussed the plans with his DS and DIL and made pragmatic decisions.

i dont think any source would be pleased about their word being shared on the internet.

The queen mother was born in England and so was her father.

I'm sure they loved Scotland, spent a lot of time there, and held it in great affection but she wasn't born in Scotland.

I wondered what the difference between having a fall and falling over was. I think it depends on whether you can get up easily

Well, according to the 'well-connected' people on here with their insider info.

Like she'd have gotten over Covid in a week at the age of 96 with 'advanced cancer'.

Mumsnet takes me to the fair sometimes.

You never know how long the "final phase" will last. She's lucky it only took days. It could also be weeks or months.

Nicholas Witchell alluded during the afternoon coverage on Thursday to the fact that since a hospital stay last October there have been rumours of cancer. It has been widely reported in Australia last year that she had bone cancer and Lady Colin Campbell on her ridiculous you tube video on Thursday announced the Queen’s death at about 3 stating the queen died at 2.37 from bone cancer. She obviously does have sources whatever you think about her opinions.

No, it's not possible for anyone to have known precisely in the circumstances. There must have been a general feeling that the end wasn't too far away - I think we all grasped that when the Queen had to miss so much of the Jubilee, including the service of Thanksgiving which had been thought to be the one 'must' for her - but she clearly was not on her death bed for long, or she wouldn't have been able to receive Boris and Liz Truss two days earlier. The Queen's death wasn't like, for example, Prince Philip's, who was in hospital for some time preceding his death.

So no actual source then?

Even Nicholas Witchell referred on Thursday (in that long period before the announcement when it was clear it was coming) to repeated reports in the foreign media that she had bone cancer. I don't think he would have said that if he didn't know or strongly believe it to be true. I don't know why it's such a strange concept

I doubt she would have been walking around with end stage bone cancer. Having had two family members with it, it is very painful near the end and greatly restricts mobility.

Honestly what is wrong with people? Just because your grandmother had that sort of marking on her hands and it was cancer means nothing. The elderly have weak capillaries which break easily and could contribute to that sort of discolouration. She may have had a fall. She may have had peripheral artery disease. Either way none of your business and you don't 'know' anything. Stop spreading crap like it is fact. Let the poor woman rest in peace.

With her dedication to duty, I wouldn't be surprised if she had said previously she didn't want them canceling their duties and engagements for her should she be dying and to wait till she was a really gone to pay their respects.

she clearly was not on her death bed for long, or she wouldn't have been able to receive Boris and Liz Truss two days earlier.
I actually think that everything possible medically was done for the Queen to do this meeting. And she probably was in bed just before and after but she got up and did her job because she always put her duty first.
There was a thread actually just after the meeting that the Queen looked very unwell and comments that her hands looked like she was having a canula .

On the 27th August the media were reporting that Charles had starting making daily visits to see the Queen, which was deemed to be unusual and out of routine.

Well, exactly. Though I think the most likely explanation is that at some point she'd had some treatment through a drip - even I've had bruises on my hands after that, and I'm nowhere near 96. Nor, for the sake of clarity, did it mean that I was so ill that I was about to snuff it at any moment.

She has been in decline for a while so I am sure they were aware it would not be long, the same as any elderly person. However I think the actual death was very quick hence why only Charles and Anne made it. I am guessing she passed early afternoon. Obviously certain people were told sooner but presumably the media were embargoed until 1830.