How do you feel about the RF and monarchy?

[MarshaBradyo]

Has it changed, do you support more or less

I had a thought that the Queen’s passing might lessen it for me but opposite has happened. I appreciate the historical significance and process

Also if you’re part of Commonwealth (I’m Aus too so am interested) what’s the general vibe about monarchy v republic

@CriticalAlert Yep a couple of million disadvantaged youngsters are worthless drops in the ocean.

lets elect a president as well as a prime minister and ditch the RF. Lets have more beaurocracy and jobs half done. Better the devil you know imo

@Farmerazza The commonwealth is a trading block that everyone benefits from within it with favourable tariffs etc. Do you mean removing Charles as head of state? Perfectly reasonable and I (as a UK citizen) would prefer all countries with charles as HOS became independent. No one gains financially as far as I can see and it is a drain on all countries involved. Commonwealth totally different. Clue is in the name as they say.

@Farmerazza Strange you should say that. I wonder why Gabon and Togo joined in 2022 if it has no benefit?

I'm a republican and would like an elected head of state, preferably with some electoral reform to get rid of FPTP in the commons as well. For now I'd keep the House of Lords, but would seek to remove political appointments for being a good ol'chap and back scratching. A chamber of experts in their field who are able to hold the government and head of state to account is important to me.

Stay away from the French National anthem in that case!

@Farmerazza Well the people of those countries are quite at liberty to leave the commonwealth if they feel it doesn't benefit them. If you're saying the governments of those countries are corruptly using that money and depriving the citizens of the benefit, then why not vote them out of office? All commonwealth countries are ruled by their own governments. I'm not aware Britain has any colonised nations that we rule over any longer, that's history.

The overseas territories with the king as head of state, I hope all opt for complete independence in the coming years. Just vote to get rid of the monarchy. I'm sure it's easily done as it benefits no one and a slimmed down cheaper monarchy is better for my country.

Farmerazza, many Commonwealth countries seem to be swapping Commonwealth influence for Chinese influence. I know which I think would be the most benign. It may be a case of frying pan/fire.

Every day I wake up I think are they still here and then I ask why ? But with no more big deaths or coronations in the pipeline it's looking like the circus has been cancelled for the foreseeable. Let's hope the people have bread then....

Sophie and Edward come over to me as the most ludicrous elements of the reboot as they seem to be without form or purpose. Shadows on the wall left after something significant fell away. At least Fergie has a sort of funny Duracell bunny relentlessness about it all and provides value in this expensive soap opera as do H&M and most of the rest of them. If I was producing the series they would be my favourites for the difficult conversation.... that and the 120 room mansion....

'Every day I wake up I think are they still here and then I ask why ?'

Do you aye?

I watch the border police tv show showing Australia, and I'm surprised at the number of chines people coming in and out of the country. I guess proximity has a lot to do with it? My geography is shocking though, but Australia does seem very keen on trade with china. Personally I would be very wary of china, and think America has the right idea. Arms length and all that

Well poetic licence of course and when I get an alert from those coronation threads of yore. Basically royalists have their work cut out now - as a second division cobbled together team still thinking they are top of the Premier League - with a fan base that are essentially dying off.

Age shall not wither them nor the years condemn ....

@vera99 Yes, agree it is all a big soap opera, but with Eastenders so boring now, we need something else. I heard that Fergie is being sued for tens of millions because she happened to be a director in a company that was fiddling the books and stole millions from rich Chinese investors? Nothing to do with her personally, but if you're a director and the company is unlimited 🤷🏻‍♀️. I don't think Fergie should be let out sometimes when it comes to business. She should stick to her books.

Before megs and haz came along the RF were pretty dull and boring. Safe. Nice family and nice kids. Personally I hope they can go back to them and the monticito pair stay in America and do what they said they would. I think the RF wants boring and safe.

Aye if we can't get rid of them then at least the drama. The Mail's struggling for an angle now having gone full Schofield for the moment and the King is travelling alone for a 5-day holiday in Dracula country as a well-earned rest, apparently.

King is working from home in his Highgrove garden office.

Age shall not weary them, nor the years condemn. At the going down of the sun and in the morning, we shall remember them.

Words for 11th November, even misquoted. They would apply to William if he'd been killed on active service.

We really need to get rid of the daily mail.......

I'm not bothered by them. I recorded the coronation, but haven't watched it (yet). I live in the suburbs but have not travelled to London to see Royal events ever.
As to wealth, I think the Duke of Westminster is far richer, (owning half of Westminster for a start).
I used to be against them, as a constitutional monarchy, but then I think of a President Blair, or President Johnson, and prefer the status quo.
I suspect over time, their influence, popularity, etc will diminish, but the number of people that seem to have turned out lining the streets for the coronation (from news clips, etc), this does not seem to be any time soon.

I prefer less exultant war poetry myself and the joy of language is we can plagiarise and re-use. That poem is from ww1 where simplistically speaking - one country with a royal family fought another country ruled by their cousin - what good were they when millions were sent to self-slaughter in their name ?

There's a reason why they don't read Wilfred Owen at Remembrance Days and why my grandfather gassed at the Somme refused to ever talk about it, or join the British Legion or ever mentioned it save for screaming in the night and lasping into depression when my mum was young.

Anthem for Doomed Youth

What passing-bells for these who die as cattle?
Only the monstrous anger of the guns.
Only the stuttering rifles' rapid rattle
Can patter out their hasty orisons.
No mockeries now for them; no prayers nor bells,
Nor any voice of mourning save the choirs, –
The shrill, demented choirs of wailing shells;
And bugles calling for them from sad shires.

What candles may be held to speed them all?
Not in the hands of boys, but in their eyes
Shall shine the holy glimmers of goodbyes.
The pallor of girls' brows shall be their pall;
Their flowers the tenderness of patient minds,
And each slow dusk a drawing down of blinds.

He's 74 ish and still working so he deserves a nice sit down 😂

Wilfred Owen told the truth. None of your glorious dead in his poetry. That's why the establishment prefer Rupert Brooke's The Soldier.....god it's hypocrisy never fails to nauseate me.

Quite for King and Country.Its not accidental the monarch goes to her funeral on a gun carriage the ultimate symbol of state armed power and a powerful reminder of theirs.