Feeling sorry for the Duchess of Sussex

[8AndGreat]

It must be so surreal for her to be caught in everything that is happening at the moment. I know H&M are controversial to say the least but they came here to do a feel good tour and are now caught up in everything that's going on. If I were Meghan, I'd travel back to the US to be with my dc and leave Harry with trusted family and aids. It was odd that the Sussexes said they'd both travel to Balmoral and the media now say that King Charles said that Meghan wouldn't be welcome. I can understand why as only close family attendee's Balmoral.

To sum it up, I feel sorry for both Harry and Meghan, I think they are out of their depth. Their autobiography will be interesting.

None of the grandchildren's spouses were there. In fact only William as direct heir was there as grandchildren. After all she has said and insinuated it would have been completely inappropriate for her to turn up in Scotland playing the grieving in law part. You reap what you sow

Not like the RF to keep something hidden. 😆
I imagine there are more skeletons in their closets than a London graveyard!

Louise and James were entitled to go by princess and prince and HRH from birth because they were grandchildren of the Monarch, like Beatrice and Eugenie did. However, like Anne with Peter and Zara, Edward decided against adopting the titles so they could have a bit more of a normal life but let's them go by Lady and Viscount, go figure. So the BIG question is whether PH and MM go down the same route or risk accusations of massive hypocrisy by using the titles.

The Archbishop of Canterbury denied Harry and Meg got married 3 days before
the actual wedding, they had a rehearsal but, their backyard is not regstered for weddings, there was no Registrar, and no witnesses. so it wasnt a wedding.

If Harry and Meghan divorce, the children can be returned to the UK. They are grandchildren of the ruling monarch, and therefore weirdly "property of the crown". Meghan would have to take on the palace in a legal battle to get them back in the US. This is why Fergi went to the US and the princesses stayed in the UK with Andrew. She knew she couldn't take them away.

Well he was certainly spending plenty of time there! As well as overseas in other places.
you know that emigration isn’t the only indicator of family discord don’t you?

My first ever Meghan thread! Interesting! I never saw any of the threads people mention prior to her marriage because I just wasn’t interested - from the sounds of it a small self-selecting minority and Mumsnet should have been more vigilant in shutting them down sooner - I don’t feel that translates to “all Mumsnetters are racist”.

Your own queen dies but Meghan and Lilibet are trending in the UK. That must be painful to watch. It's why she is hated and bullied constantly.

@darmaka do you honestly think that the vast majority of ordinary people care what is “trending” in your little bubble? (but for info, Lilibet was the queen’s nickname when she was young so I think that’s far more likely to be the reason it is trending than because it was given to a child in the USA)

All the anti Meghan threads are actually quite disturbing. There are posters positively salivating at the thought of divorce.
All I can say is that Meghan must love Harry to put up with all this shit.
Even if they divorce Harry will not come running back to the royal fold. He will continue to live in America because he has two children.
As I have said on another thread. Meghan will be the least of the Royal family’s problem now that the Queen has died.
All the Royal secrets will come out..

i suppose that's true now, he can't trust his own brother not to give an interview or put it all in a book.

I don't understand this attitude. This can't win BEAUSE of the things they've done.

If the queen we're my mum on her deathbed and one of her grandsons and his wife who had shunned the family and caused enormous hurt with tell-all revelations and threats of exposure to the world - why on earth would I want them by her bedside?

And as another pp pointed out - the queen has 8 grandchildren, none of whom or their spouses were anywhere near balmoral. Why are you not banging on about feeling pity for them (and theyve been loyal to the royal family).

Hear hear! I wish them all the best and congratulate them for removing themselves from a toxic environment and living a life they wish to live. They seem happier for it. The prediction of divorce is merely wishful thinking on the part of a certain aged section of society consumed by envy and who delight in falsehoods spread by unscrupulous members of the media. King Charles III publicly expressed his love for his son and wife (as did the Queen on several occasions). It’s a shame that this truth is ignored to fit a narrative that makes some lonely souls feel better about their own existence.

That would never happen. It's just slavering fanfiction of racists and gets repeated all the time (by the same nutters who claim the Queen had Meghan locked up in the Tower of London).

You really think there's any way in a billion years Charles would decide to try to publicly steal children away from their own parents, and force them against their will to move to a foreign country?

There is not a court in the world that would allow that.

Certainly the American courts would not recognise the authority of British royal law. They live in the USA and are American citizens so US law has jurisdiction.

If he tried to go around stealing babies the scandal would destroy the monarchy.

@theveg - there’s certainly evidence of sustained and institutionalised racism - see my previous posts

I don't think Harry seems happy at all.

I'm not gleefully hoping they divorce. I think that would be another very sad chapter in Harry's life and terrible for the children.

But I do think they should retreat from the public eye and just quietly get on with things, as they claimed they wanted to, and stop slinging mud at the RF.

I think it's been well established that Harry has had a lot of issues since he was a kid. I think it's only since he met Meghan that he has really questioned his family's role in this. I do think the royal family is a very weird set-up, so I don't blame him for wanting to raise his kids away from all that craziness.

Would Harry really want to be king and all it entails? He would be more trapped and under more scrutiny than ever. I think he would hate it.

I hope he has found happiness away from his family, but it's always going to be difficult for him. He will always be under media scrutiny. Apparently, there were credible death threats against him for daring to marry a black woman. There are A LOT of seriously crazy people out there! I mean much worse than Piers Morgan crazy.

I think Meghan would like to be thought of in the same way as Diana but has missed the mark.

She has not quite mastered the sincerity and emotional intelligence required.

I wouldn't trust either of them either after they have profited from selling stories about the family either (some of which have been proven to be lies). They wanted to be 'let go' from the royal fold and they were granted that without issue, they could have had the best of both worlds but instead decided to absolutely obliterate any bridges. They can't pick and choose, I don't think it's fair to vilify meghan though without recognising Harry is an active participant in their behaviour.

Their estrangement from the RF is their USP and they need to milk that to fund the lifestyle they wish.
I have no doubt that Meghan experienced racism whilst in the UK but I don’t believe it was from the important, close family who seemed welcoming or most of the public who were entranced by this beautiful American actress, it was the dinosaurs in the palace and the lowest gutter press who stuck their knives into her.
I hope that things settle down for the Sussexs and they can find peace and an income without the sly digs at the UK and the Windsors who really don’t deserve it.

Harry must now deal directly with his own father - after letting it slip that racist member of the RF alluded to in the Oprah interview was none other than the Queen Consort herself

Where did this come from @LillianGish, and is it something Harry provably said or more nonsense the media invented?
I genuinely wasn't aware of it so would be interested to know ...

Absolutely agree with this entire post.

@FurAndFeathers but there is no evidence of that specific allegation afaik?

Allegations of racism are very serious imo and therefore should be supported with actual evidence.

I wonder if has been disorienting for Harry to have gone from 3rd in line to 6th. And now no longer a working Royal.

Well the change has happened gradually, over the course of years. He didn't just suddenly bump from 3rd to 6th. And of course he would have always known that he's go down in place as soon as William started having children. Harry hasn't been third in line since 2013.

@darmaka do you honestly think that the vast majority of ordinary people care what is “trending” in your little bubble? (but for info, Lilibet was the queen’s nickname when she was young so I think that’s far more likely to be the reason it is trending than because it was given to a child in the USA)

It's not a "little bubble", these things are often the number one trending topic in the UK, or worldwide. PrinceofPegging was the number one trending topic in the UK for more than 24 hours. If you actually bothered to fact check you would see all the tweets trending for Lili are about Harry and Meghan's daughter.

I though they left the royal service life for a private life. Yet now they spent their time selling themselves and firmly tying to remain in the public eye.

I didn't say it would, I said it can.

I imagine what would happen is dependant on if they did divorce and if it was amicable. Harry would either remain in the US and co-parent there, or return to the UK for official residence, but spend a lot of time in the US in a private residence to be near his children.

Harry I don't think would ever pull the children away from their mother, he knows what it's like to loose your mother as a child, I don't for a second think he would do that to his own children.

But then again I don't think he will divorce Meghan, not whilst the children are young anyways. I think they are actually happily married (an unpopular opinion I know)

So every single couple who refers to anything other than the legal ceremony as their wedding is a liar.

Thanks for clarifying.