Feeling sorry for the Duchess of Sussex

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It must be so surreal for her to be caught in everything that is happening at the moment. I know H&M are controversial to say the least but they came here to do a feel good tour and are now caught up in everything that's going on. If I were Meghan, I'd travel back to the US to be with my dc and leave Harry with trusted family and aids. It was odd that the Sussexes said they'd both travel to Balmoral and the media now say that King Charles said that Meghan wouldn't be welcome. I can understand why as only close family attendee's Balmoral.

To sum it up, I feel sorry for both Harry and Meghan, I think they are out of their depth. Their autobiography will be interesting.

If they had any class they'd decline the titles of Prince and Princess for Archie and Lilibet like Princess Anne did for her children.

One thing crossed my mind yesterday when I read about William now being the Duke of Cornwall - the Duchy has a profit of £23million a year.

Didn’t Charles bankroll Harry and Meghan to some degree? Maybe that was just initially and now they have Netflix, Spotify income and don’t need it? But if not I’d guess that income stops because Charle’s only income is from the crown/state and he can’t use that money to pay a wage to a non royal.

Why do they want their kids to have titles if they hate the RF so much?

I'm sort of half feeling sorry for them but half "you reap what you sow".

I feel sorry for them that the birtish media will now have a field day about them, with gossip accusations and lies. That can't be nice to deal with, they will be criticised regardless of what they do, they will be stuck in a can't do right from wrong situation. After all Harry is grieving the loss of his beloved grandmother and should be supported at this time, and given space to grieve. Meghan must be absolutely dreading attending the funeral, she knows no good will come of it, it's going to be awkward and she's likely to get snubbed. That's not a nice feeling to have, again she's only human.

But on the other hand, if they had just stopped talking, especially the OW interview and subsequent interviews/podcasts/publications. They would have ridden out the storm of leaving by now and there would have been a "ok" air about them returning. Less speculation, less negativity about them.

I think if they could go back and not say/do some things they would. But you can't go back in time. Despite popular opinion I don't believe Meghan is some sort of devil in a Dior skirt, I think she was a woman who didn't really understand what being a member of the royal family entailed, found it overwhelming and frightening. The loss autonomy over one's life is not an easy thing to give up, especially when you have been a "free American woman" for so long. I don't think she was fully prepared to weather the storm, the negative press and the massive pressure. So she left and Harry supported her to do so because he loves her and his children. There's nothing wrong with that.

What can happen now though, is the drawing of a line under it all, and I think The King has done that last night with his speech. He's shown support and love for their decisions, and a firm line has been drawn, it's time to move on.

There is some controversy over whether or not Edward's children are entiled to be Prince and Princess. They have never been described as such on any official royal site, so nothing has changed there.

If the other titles have been updated, why not those of the Sussex children, if it is 'automatic'?

This is the awful 'Straight Otta Compton' article from when Harry and Meghan were dating, if anyone wants to read the source.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3896180/Prince-Harry-s-girlfriend-actress-Meghan-Markles.html

There's a photo of of Meghan's black aunt and black cousin, which I would say is included to make the point, 'look, she may look quite light skinned but she's black'. I am pleased to see that 'best rated' comments aren't biting; they are very much of the 'leave her alone' and 'at least she makes her own living' variety.

So I think elements of the shitty sort of media have tried a more subtle tack since then. And I do think there has been something very culturally complex that has subsequently been building online, which is almost a resentment that she 'passes' enough to have married into the royal family at all. It's hidden racists' racism.

I do think she's troubled, and that she has Harry leaning on her a great deal (and sometimes dropping her in it). I really hope Charles's message of love was genuine. It appeared to be, from his voice.

🤗Exactly.

I assume it's similar to the situation with Louise and James. They have the titles but aren't compelled to use them. There's a lot to work out.

That's not quite accurate.

Traditionally HRHs pass through the male line only.

Anne's children didn't automatically get HRHs because she is a woman. If Anne had been a man, her children would have been HRH the very second they were born, and Anne would have had to actively remove them.

Anne was offered courtesy titles and declined that.

Hoist by their own petard.

I feel the death of the Queen will prove to be a turning point in the relationship. Feel certain they will divorce.

Harry has the luck of a haunted man.

There is some controversy over whether or not Edward's children are entiled to be Prince and Princess. They have never been described as such on any official royal site, so nothing has changed there.

I think Sophie confirmed that they could use Prince and Princess if they wanted to. They can choose for themselves when they reach 18.

Louise and James are technically Prince and Princess but their parents decided not to use those titles . Now that Louise is 18 , she could use it if she wished .

Usually people stay in the country with their children and co -parent. Some countries don't allow you to remove the children from the country they are being raised in. I'd imagine he would want to be near his kids. Harry absolutely adores Meghan though so I doubt they'd be headed for divorce any time soon.
My money would be on the other who supposedly cheats.

Whilst I think she is a beautiful and intelligent woman I cannot muster any sympathy for Meghan because she has slung far too much mud at the royal family. Nothing to do with her skin colour what so ever. As for Harry.... he needs to grow a pair of bollocks and stop with the woe is me claptrap and live the life he chose.

Exactly @Blossomtoes It's simply not true that Harry had 'issues with the family' before Meghan came on the scene. If that was the case, why didn't he move to America many years before he met Meghan? Can anyone answer that question?

No. I thought not.

Yes, they are now entitled to the titles Prince and Princess as male-line grandchildren of a monarch but they don’t have to USE them - as Grandchildren through the male line, Prince Edward’s children should have been titled Princess Louise of Wessex and Prince James of Wessex just like Beatrice and Eugenie are princesses by birth, but as they are so far down the line of succession, their parents decided that they would style them as children of an earl instead. Harry’s children are the children of a Duke and therefore since birth have been entitled to use the subsidiary titles of the Earl of Dumbarton & Lady Lilibet Mountbatten-Windsor but in line with their rejection of the royal lifestyle, their parents wish them to grow up as private citizens so choose not to use them.

For all those denying racism in the royal family - you can easily educate yourselves. I appreciate it’s uncomfortable and you don’t want to believe it but that doesn’t make it true. To this day Buckingham palace has an exemption to the Equality Act allowing them not to hire people from Ethnic minorities.

amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/jun/02/buckingham-palace-banned-ethnic-minorities-from-office-roles-papers-reveal

www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2021/11/30/experts-critique-prince-williams-ideas-on-africa-population

www.harpersbazaar.com/celebrity/latest/a14481097/princess-michael-of-kent-racist-brooch/

www.insider.com/british-royal-family-racist-history-black-lives-matter-2020-8?amp

Read all of that evidence of sustained and institutionalised racism and then really think whether a biracial woman would be welcomed with open arms?
or at the very least, please stop denying the racist experiences she would certainly have had.

@theveg
Sorry, I might be getting my orders and laws mixed up. Monarchs can approve laws passed by parliament (I don't think they can unapprove a law)
Charles just did pass an order for a BH for us.

Do you not understand how websites work? Someone has to manually sit down, log in to the hosting provider, input code, and hit update.

"Automatic" means that that the title switch happens without anyone knowing anything about it or doing anything.

If the Queen had died unexpectedly in her sleep at 3am, and no one knew she was dead until staff checked on her at 8am, that means that Charles automatically became King at 3am.

He would wake up having been King for several hours and not even be aware of it, until someone told him.

That is what automatic means.

But clearly the website would not be updated at 3am!

I'm still waiting for @CatsandFish to provide evidence of the extraordinary claim that Harry said members of the RF used the n word.

He spent lots of time in Africa with his Zimbabwean girlfriend . . . .

No, I don’t feel sorry. Yes, her tour has been disrupted. I feel sorry for the those who cared about the queen.

I have no sympathy , they seem to want it all - they want out of the RF but they still use the titles . If you want out and you want privacy the way to achieve that is not to repeatedly rubbish your family in public to anybody who will pay enough .

I wonder if has been disorienting for Harry to have gone from 3rd in line to 6th. And now no longer a working Royal.

Harry’s entire life, William was his cohort and parallel. But after William married and had children, he became more like his cousins with respect to the RF.

This was a case where they should have been looking to his cousins to determine how to behave. No announcement about his movements as a private citizen are necessary.

But maybe they decided “Oh, William’s people said he’s traveling. We’d better announce what we are doing, too” But now they have Americans not versed in RF protocol working for them and so it’s “Scotland” instead of “Balmoral”. Meghan is the real celebrity so her name was included. An American PR team would not know the ins and outs of the RF. They obviously were not collaborating with William and Charles’ staff to decide how this should all unfold.

I think no longer have the guidance and management that the RF staff provides and free-wheeling caused them to look foolish.

Having Scobie involved was particularly gauche. Even adding “Like Kate” seemed foolish. William and Harry and brothers but no longer on the same plane within the structure. They don’t need to try and copy William and Kate’s behavior.

And I guess I feel a bit sorry for Harry because it does seem tough to grow up one of two and suddenly be so far out in left field, alone now when you’d always had your brother there, with no one around him who could possibly understand what that is like.

He's been talking about moving abroad and wanting to move abroad for years.

I don't think you understand the impact of toxic families. Harry was raised from birth to be his family's whipping boy and with the idea of duty drummed into him.

It took Meghan, for him to realise that he was allowed to be free and allowed to chose his own life.

He said all this on Oprah, did you not watch?