Feeling sorry for the Duchess of Sussex

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It must be so surreal for her to be caught in everything that is happening at the moment. I know H&M are controversial to say the least but they came here to do a feel good tour and are now caught up in everything that's going on. If I were Meghan, I'd travel back to the US to be with my dc and leave Harry with trusted family and aids. It was odd that the Sussexes said they'd both travel to Balmoral and the media now say that King Charles said that Meghan wouldn't be welcome. I can understand why as only close family attendee's Balmoral.

To sum it up, I feel sorry for both Harry and Meghan, I think they are out of their depth. Their autobiography will be interesting.

I was reported and deleted for saying what is freely available in every newspaper.

Some "fans" need to get a grip. So does MNHQ. FFS.

This.

The woman was racially fucking abused by the press and by all accounts members of the royal family.

What is the first comment on here regarding toxic families? Go no contact, stop seeing them, move away.

Apparently stick a crown on the heads of those doing the toxicity and it’s all a pack of lies. Or, is it because she is an American actress divorcee who happens to be mixed race?

The posts on here are shameful.

Seriously, why can't you lot stop telling lies?

I was there. Plenty of us were there.

The extreme and non-stop hate and overt racism during the runup to the wedding and after the wedding is well-documented.

I think if it was someone closer to the throne now who’ said racist stuff, well then, it could have a massive impact....perhaps not for those who excuse xenophobic or racist views (and the Brexit debate has shown that there are quite a few) But it will alienate ethnic minorities within the UK and commonwealth countries.

I have no data to support this, but I think the people who are most hostile towards Meghan tend to be (white) older women and older men.

the rf need younger people to be onboard for the ‘firm’ to survive another generation

I very much think Meghan would not have wanted to travel up there, given the estrangement, so feel this is media gossip about Charles ordering Harry not to bring her.

Are you kidding?

I don’t feel sorry for them at all.

They wanted to move away and live a life away from Royal protocol and duties. They wanted a private life. A more normal life. They could’ve quietly and with dignity done exactly that.

Since requesting that they have kept themselves in the public eye with their appalling and unnecessary interviews etc.

The Royal family and aides were 100% right to block Meghan from going to Balmoral. She can’t be trusted and they’re understandably concerned about what Meghan and Harry will say and do next.

Lets be honest if Meghan had been allowed to attend that would’ve given her content for another Oprah interview on how she sat by the side of the Queen as she lay dying plus every tiny detail (true and not) on what the rest of the Royal family did and said at the time.

If she didn't want to travel, why did they have their 'spokesperson' 'announce' that both of them would be going to Balmoral?

None of the other grandchildren felt the need for such an 'announcement'.

Yet more lies. You really can't stop, can you!

The only person she's become estranged from is her dad, who is estranged from every single family member (estranged from all his children and grandchildren, though he became un-estranged from Samantha Grant so they could make money), has repeatedly threatened and harassed his daughter and his ex-wife and even stalked his ex-wife, and faked both a heart attack and a stroke.

Meghan never knew or had a relationship with her convicted child abuser half-sister.

Name one other family member she's estranged from? She's close to her mother's family, and her nieces on her father's side.

STOP LYING!!!!!

The woman was racially fucking abused by the press and by all accounts members of the royal family.

Where is the proof that she was 'racially abused' by the royal family?

The only member of her family she had at the wedding was Doria ( who abandoned her as a teen) she then invited a load of A list celebrities she didn't know nor did Harry 🤣🤣🤣.

You didn't address my point isn't it hypocritical to cut your father off for selling stories but then expect the in-laws to warmly welcome you when you do the same?

No she shouldn't have been invited to the Queen's death bed it was about the queen and what she wanted if she didn't want her there then that was her choice and it should be respected.

Yes I so think Meghan was treated with hostility and suspicion from the start both within the establishment and those who revere it. She was a threat and was othered.
I am not a royalist or enthusiast but it was plainly obvious what happened to drive Harry and Meghan out.
Harry's former girlfriend Chelsey did not want to be under scrutiny and Meghan was brave and in many ways naive to think she could be herself marrying into that.
Yes I somewhat have sympathy as much as one can for rich and privileged people.

For what it's worth (not much) I think they are both equally hideous and that race has absolutely nothing to do with the reason why. They are both completely tone deaf and self indulgent. For them both to stand in one of the poorest and most deprived places and to complain how badly they had it was just repulsive. To do an international hatchet job on their family, whilst a beloved grandparent was lying in hospital close to death and the other, was having to process the coming death of their beloved spouse whilst maintaining a dignified silence, was to me unforgivable and inhuman.

Suing the government for continuing security is awful also, yes they may need security for their children, but so do many wealthy people -- pay for it. They could have moved to an equally lovely, more discreet property in a less celeby area and lived a very comfortable life indeed and done all of the philanthropy they wished. Like lots of rich people do. Noone is saying that they should be expected to live in total seclusion, rather they should live the private life they claimed to want. But they don't want that, they want to be feted and adored and above criticism, which is more reminiscent of the old 'divine right' idea of monarchy than any of the rest of the family seem to display. This makes them seem duplicitous and lacking in integrity, which makes people react strongly to them. It is also terrifying how easily they have managed to close down any criticism and queries using the idea that any such talk is racist. That is regressive and dangerous to democracy.

As for the other waffle and faux profundity they can get on with that just like any other celebs as far as I'm concerned no one has to listen.

Yeah, everyone was ecstatic, I'm sure. You may have not 'gave a shit' nor the 'thousands' that wished them well but racism does exist in this country and I have no doubt it exists in the royal establishment.

Btw, the low class was sarcasm.

But make up what you want… most people don’t agree with you anyway.

Who's making anything up?! And I don't expect people to agree with me. It's a forum for persons of all points of view.

What's wrong with social climbing? I remember the Middleton sisters were accused with it too.

And all of her non-famous friends were there too.

Plus her mum's half-brother, and one other relative (I think Doria's stepmother or stepgrandmother but would need to check).

It's hardly Meghan's fault her grandparents are dead, and she has no full- or maternal siblings!

Her mum never abandoned her, that's just an evil wicked lie invented by the same racists who made up the horrible conspiracy theory that Doria went to prison and Meghan somehow used her all-encompassing power to get American penal records destroyed.

Harry is neither. Or do you mean Charles and WIlliam? If it had gone down then George would be king.

I don't think the spouses of any of the grandchildren attended did they?
The news said Zara, Beatrice and Eugenie had gone but no mention of their husbands, or Peter.

I think Harry has a real emotional immaturity to him. A typical stunted growth/arrested development which is very understandable, his parents had a bad marriage, a very very public divorce, his mother died in horrific circumstances, continuous tumours of whether or not he is Charles's child (think he is) and was always the spare to the heir.

Add to that, he's not very intelligent and you have a recipe for disaster.

My issue with Meghan is nothing to do with her race, previous divorce, family estrangement, or the fact she is American. Nothing to do with the fact hey moved to America or stepped back from Royal duties. All reasonable things and I can totally understand why they might prefer life outside the Royal family.

It all could have been achieved and I suspect understood and accepted easily.

It's the manner in which M & H then set about damaging the Royal family, essentially public trashing them. Their version of events may even be true ( although lots of inaccuracies have been confirmed). It doesn't matter. There was no way the didn't realise the damage it would do and realise that it would completely alienate H from his family permanently. Oprah, Netflix, The book etc. Why? Driven only be 2 possible reasons, Harry's anger or Meghan's agenda.

A more supportive wife would have encouraged him to maintain a distance, emotionally untangle himself etc. but not to publically shame his family.

I can't help thinking he has regrets. He certainly doesn't look like the happy, spirited, charismatic man he was in the past. It's sad to see himself and William so far apart now. They are only 2 people who had the same childhood who could really understand each other.

I can't see it ending well & think Harry's mental frailty is concerning. Meghan appears stronger, more resilient etc. I don't even know what divorce means to them in terms of access to the children etc. If Harry was happy since he left, it would have been great but it's very clear the whole situation is talking it's tell. I think he sees himself as wronged but the Royal family, and sees his mother as the same. In fairness to him, there's a lot on all that. A horrible but highly predictable situation.

I think Harry wanted her to come, but "given the estrangement" she said no, and Charles agreed with her. Hence the first announcement, made on Harry's say so I reckon, followed by a period of arguing between him and Meghan, and then the second announcement by Omid saying she wasn't coming. Can't imagine Charles 'ordering' her not to come given how he said how much he loved them yesterday.

I feel sorry for Harry, there is going to be massive dissonance for him now - grieving his beloved granny but loving a woman who takes pot shots at his family.

I think Charles has learnt a lot and it shows. They are all think they ate doing the right thing.

Not dissimilar to Diana/Fergie back in the day when the press made them out to be saint and sinner. We don't know what goes on behind closed doors or how toxic Harry found the RF.

People who've been estranged from family are going to have a different view on this and may have been put in the position of scapegoat themselves. I do feel quite sorry for Meghan, because when it comes to the funeral she'll be damned if she goes and damned if she doesn't.

So we don't really know what went on or what they are all like and the press loves to stir this stuff up.

The extreme and non-stop hate and overt racism during the runup to the wedding and after the wedding is well-documented

Was it? You'd barely even know she was mixed race unless you'd seen her mum. If pressed, I might have thought she had Hispanic origins.

Anyway I liked her until she and Harry started lecturing us about the environment and then proceeded to fly around the world on private jets and have two children. Hypocrisy is unattractive.

^^this.

• Meghan threw a tantrum, Harry had to console her hence why he missed the flight taking William, Andrew etc and was late arriving to Balmoral.

I don't think the above is correct. I don't imagine for a second that Harry would have been invited on to the flight taking William, Andrew etc. He isn't being funded by the state anymore for one