Feeling sorry for the Duchess of Sussex

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It must be so surreal for her to be caught in everything that is happening at the moment. I know H&M are controversial to say the least but they came here to do a feel good tour and are now caught up in everything that's going on. If I were Meghan, I'd travel back to the US to be with my dc and leave Harry with trusted family and aids. It was odd that the Sussexes said they'd both travel to Balmoral and the media now say that King Charles said that Meghan wouldn't be welcome. I can understand why as only close family attendee's Balmoral.

To sum it up, I feel sorry for both Harry and Meghan, I think they are out of their depth. Their autobiography will be interesting.

@mamabear715

Do you not remember Danny Baker holding up a picture of a monkey when Archie was born?

Danny Baker who was on LWT for most of my childhood it seems. Who knew exactly what impact that action would have. A veteran journalist who understands exactly how the media works. Who did he do that for? It was for a certain audience, that’s for sure.

We also don’t know the security risks/threats, etc they may have got that they can’t go public on.

I don’t know what to make of them and didn’t really follow much of the news but that photo was shocking. Absolutely shocking. To try and humiliate a community like that when so many people were coming together in good faith.

Disgusting behaviour.

I'm a republican, so don't have a dog in this fight.

They said on tv on the afternoon that the queen died that because Kate wasn't going to Balmoral, and Kate outranks Meghan in the royal hierarchy, it would have been a breach of protocol for Meghan to be there if Kate wasn't.

It sounds bonkers to me, but then I find the whole concept of monarchy pretty bonkers. It's plausible bonkersness imo and may not have been the personal slight some claim.

Lies - it's all well documented.

Is anyone else presuming the only reason we were told on Thursday lunchtime about the queen being ill was because of these two? They were due to make an appearance at some awards which was obviously going to be cancelled. I can only presume the RF were worried what H+M were going to say as their reason for not attending. All day the news channels were saying how unusual it was for that announcement to be made.
If this has already been discussed on MN then apologies; I haven't seen any posts.

I think is much more likely.

People need to remember Meghan was a woman in her own right when she married Harry. Love her or hate her ( and many do in a very bizarre way), her head was always high. Its not something people cam grasp for some reason. I do think it boils down to racism.

Agreed.

I just love how posters post on here like they know what's really going on inside the RF and as if they actually know these people themselves.

You still didn't address my point isn't it hypocritical to disown her father for selling stories but expecting the In-laws to warmly welcome her when she did exactly the same thing ?

Opinions in the UK of MM have swung from favourable to unfavourable due to her behaviour.

People judge by actions not words.
MM sets herself up as Princess of Kindness and Compassion but there are sadly no actions that match this.

So close to her mother’s side of the family that she didn’t even invite them to her wedding.

Honestly the journalists lie. Nobody except the family knows what's happening.
None of them took their spouses.
Harry and William are Grandchildren. I haven't seen anything written about Zara, Beatrice, Eugenie etc - they weren't even there

You don’t know she was told SHE WOULD NOT BE WELCOME
chances are it was Queens kids and William and H as close heirs.
kate, Sophie, Fergie (if her and Andrew are back together), Anne’s husband)if she has one) weren’t there

She may have wanted to go but was told only immediate family and no spouses. Which is understandable.

Her* spokesperson confirmed she was going to travel up there with PH, then the plan was changed.

*The clue is in the word 'her'.

I am nc with my parents and virtually no contact with my brother an sister. I have met my sisters husband once by accident as I was leaving my parents and he was arriving. I was not invited to her wedding. I have never met my brother partner. I have a close relationship with cousins etc my parents and siblings are highly abusive. I mourned their relationship and I’m over them.

if I was on my death bed I would want my children and their families I would not want my sister there or my parents or my brothers. After all the shit she and he threw at the royals calling them racist but not naming who - distracted and cast innocent people under suspicion. The nonsense about the titles. She was invited in and yes they have every wish accommodated but they also lied. She was pregnant and said she was suicidal did she tell her doctor and what did they do etc
Harry who has counselling for years before - did he not pick up the phone. I don’t believe it. But they can’t answer back. As the queen said recollections May vary. I wouldn’t want any family member of mine writing a book and with Netflix next to them in my house. So they can later make money out of it. She has what 8 grandchildren who are married (might be 6) and x number of great grandchildren - they are not important enough. Louise and James didn’t go neither did zara and Mike nor Peter so no she wasn’t welcome she’s not family. If she was a daughter in law like Sophie who was loved and cherished - fine. I can’t believe they assumed they would go but this is Harry thinking he is more important. He isn’t in line for the throne, he is not very bright / he’s a normal man - except one who has been given millions never paid rent or for anything and has now been told if you don’t like it - leave. He left. He isn’t an academic or an ex president - he has nothing to say that I’m interested in. Or indeed the rest of us. But I don’t pander to any of them or defer to them.

but no you don’t want shitty members of your family around when you are Ill or dying or indeed a direct son or daughter. My daughter wouldn’t want to deal with my parents - reconciliation should not happen on a death bed - end of. He is a proud vain man and he needs to learn it is not all about him. She wasn’t close to him
neither is Charles. He has been awful about his family.
I don’t want my parents near me if I’m dying and I want my son and daughter left alone to grieve and remember me without them stressing them out and making my death about them. It’s not.

if he wanted to make amends he needs to get rid of the book and Netflix and say he will never ever speak out. But let’s face it - he can’t have the billionaire lifestyle he so badly wants without it.

Yet you don't judge the queen for her family supporting and benefiting from colonialism, the commonwealth and slavery but you are here praising the RF - how does that work exactly?

Edward took his spouse. But Sophie and the Queen were reportedly very close.

You haven't seen anything written about Zara, Eugenie and the others because they didn't feel the need to get their 'spokesperson' to 'announce' their plans. Meghan and Harry did.

Why would the queen have wanted her there ? She's caused her nothing but drama for the last few years. The dying person should get to choose screw what Harry wanted.

I think the ‘straight outta Compton’ headline was racist. And there’s no doubt she would’ve received trolling online about it. I don’t doubt there was an element of jealousy among some courtiers that a prince had decided on an older American divorcee as his wife rather than one of their young, pretty, whiter-than-white daughters.

But, I don’t think any of the above justifies her behaviour either. I don’t believe the RF went from being ‘the family she never had’ to a bunch of heartless and vindictive racists within a matter of months. I mean if they were going to freeze her out, wouldn’t that have taken place at the beginning; rather than after he’d married her??

I’m also not too sure about the ‘Archie’s skin colour’ comments. She refused to name the royal concerned (convenient - how could it ever be refuted then?) plus she didn’t elaborate on exactly what was said. Yes it could’ve been something racist, equally it might’ve been a ‘Oh I wonder whose colourings he will get, mummy or daddy’s?‘ that missed the mark but was well intentioned. There were a lot of comments like this when DD was born as I’m fair and strawberry blonde and DH is dark haired and olive skinned. It’s just chit chat. I mean if you make such accusations you need to substantiate them, not make suggestive comments knowing full well they can’t be refuted.

You obviously were not on MN at the time. Threads deleted in droves every day because of extreme racism.

Black posters being singled out for abuse and being stalked round the board, doxxed, and Meghan-bashers photoshopping fake DMs and bragging about it on other boards to try to get them banned.

Do you not remember there was a whole rival forum that started up that had Mumsnet in its name, that was created by banned Meghan-bashers (mainly banned due to using racial slurs) primarily as a place where they could hate on Meghan without any rules? And they would literally plan "raids" on MN, where they'd come back as Previously Banned Posters to attack and troll Meghan and Meghan fans, and coordinate ways to get Meghan fans banned?

There was one woman who openly bragged that she'd been banned from MN over a dozen times for things she said about Meghan, and that she kept creating new email accounts so that she could keep re-registering new accounts.

Many of the posters who were known as Meghan Haters circa 2018 had reputations for posting in every thread about black people or race issues they could find, and always being extremely goady. The same posters saying they hated Meghan, thought she was a narcissist and were praying Harry called off the wedding were also posting up a storm in BLM threads (calling BLM protestors "thugs" who should be in prison), in Ahmaud Arbery threads (saying he deserved to die), in white supremacists rally threads ("I don't agree with what they're saying but they have a right to free speech!), endless threads defending golliwogs and blackface.

Regular reference to conspiracy theories about Meghan being a sex worker.

Posters very very regularly name-changing and posting "I have a friend working in Hollywood/Buckingham Palace who told me all these terrible things about Meghan."

It was non-stop extremist hate from day one.

The Middletons have not done an interview, got their facts wrong at the Oprah meeting and moaned and complained about their lot in life. Again and again. She is a disgrace and there is no issue with living your life quietly without having to give endless interviews and veiled threats about what is coming next.

Its unforgivable that she did it when Prince Philip was dying and she is a self absorbed twit with a massive chip on her shoulder about what she should have been allowed to do. Become green they demand (bar us of course, we need to travel in private jets for security reasons).

I wouldn’t want her at my funeral tbh. She is a painful women.

Tbf, if racist behaviour did take place with the royal family, it should be aired.

and why can’t the RF counter it, if it is untrue? No one is muzzling them.

what needs to stop is giving airtime to unnamed royal sources.

if you have something to say, own it

As a proud black women I very much ascribe to the view that whilst unfortunately yes she was subject to racism you can also dislike someone because of their actions and its not a fair criticism to say anyone who isn't a fan is racist.

@YellowTreeHouse Wow, what a hateful and ignorant post! This situation is not of their making, they've done nothing at all wrong.

Why do you in such a misogynistic and sexist manner put all the blame on Meghan and assume Harry will divorce her, instead if the other way around? Your hateful misogyny is truly sad and says far more about you than Meghan.

Meghan has managed to become estranged from most of her own family, from her husbands family, and from several of her closest friends. She is the common denominator in all these fall outs.

A great shame as I liked her but they married in haste. I really thought they’d be instrumental in modernising the royals, but they’ve totally fucked it up.

I'm confused! So the press know Harry and Meghan are more popular (not sure who they are more popular than but anyway) On the other hand everyone hates them and hate articles sell and they makes up lies and hate stories, they write 250 a day.

So are they popular or hated or like many public figures do some people like them and some people don't?