Prince Archie & Princess Lilibet?

[susan12345678]

Surely not?

I look forward to Harry's announcement explaining that they will decline prince and princess titles for their DC, in keeping with their decision to stand down as senior royals and live private lives in the US.

Anything less under the circumstances would be rank hypocrisy

Yes, and a Princess by marriage is a Princess.

Thr only reason she is not styled as HRH Princess Henry is because of the Dukedom.

Princess Michael of Kent is a Princess because she’s the wife of a Prince. No Dukedom was given to him so Princess Michael is who she is.

Yes, she is allowed to use the title of Princess. Just not "Princess Meghan" since that's only for princesses of the blood.

There's nothing stopping her from using Princess Henry, or from referring to herself as a princess, if she wanted to. Nothing at all.

It's stupid to say "she would definitely do this" since she voluntarily agreed not to use her HRH title which she still holds.

Could she be Princess Harry I wonder, as that's the name he's known by?

No, you are right, they have not.

It's rather strange to me that posters insist that the palace is waiting for H&M to confirm. Since when has the palace ever cared what H&M want or say? The palace have been sticklers for rules when it concerns H&M. Stripping them of all sorts etc. They have also been sticklers with rules regarding titles etc. for C&C and W&K.

The rules should be that A&L are prince/princess. That is that. The palace should make that change accordingly. H&M can take whatever time they need - months, years etc. sort out whatever they want. The rules are the rules A&L are HRH and it should be reflected as such, till it is changed (most likely to say, they have the titles, but will not be using them, or some such).

H&M have blacked out their site and cancelled everything at this time of grieving, so I don't think they are really concentrating on that till after the funeral.

We will mostly come back to this story after everything.

My thoughts are that the rules have been quietly changed, or in the process and Charles is just waiting for his Coronation and there will be no going back then. The whole world is looking at UK at this moment with dignitaries etc. coming for the funeral (hence the slow down on H&M attacks, just like during the wedding ).
When all is done, it will be back to normal.........vileness towards Harry and his family.

This

The M and H haters are starting on their children now. Unbelievable.

The rules should be that A&L are prince/princess. That is that. The palace should make that change accordingly. H&M can take whatever time they need - months, years etc. sort out whatever they want. The rules are the rules A&L are HRH and it should be reflected as such, till it is changed (most likely to say, they have the titles, but will not be using them, or some such).

The rules also say that Louise and James are HRH, but their names on the succession reflect their parents wishes.

They’re simply doing the same for Archie and Lili until they hear otherwise from their parents.

You also can’t quietly release new Letters Patent. It’s simply not possible so it hasn’t already been done.

They must be negotiating - just tiring to hear the issue over security over and over again - Meghan has said before that she would expect her children to have security if they were Prince/princesses. Also wonder if they need to be baptised too.

It is up to H&M to decide and to announce.

As they did not give their DC the titles they could have done (I think they could have been Lord and Lady) then perhaps they'll decide to do as the Wessexes did and not use the Royal style (though of course they did use a subsidiary title for James and Lady for Louise)

Yep like Princess Michael of Kent. But that would not go with Meghan would it

Yes, she is Princess Henry (Harry) of Wales.

I can see exactly why someone would not want to use that

I understood (probably wrongly) that the grandchildren of the monarch (in this case George, Charlotte, Louis, Archie and Lilibet) would be given the option to use the titles on their 18th birthday unless their parents chose for them?

Anne chose not to title Peter and Zara, Andrew chose to title his daughters, Edward and Sophie chose not to but now Louise is 18 she can choose to be Princess Louise if she wishes? If this is correct then unless Harry and Meghan opt to title their children from now (like Andrew and Sarah did) Archie and Lilibet can choose when they are 18 whether they want to be Prince and Princess.

Tbh the choosing thing is very new. It wasn’t actually confirmed until a few years ago what the exact situation was with Louise and James. Until then those entitled to a title generally used them, but sometimes used a “normal” name if they had a normal job (David Linley for example).

What we do know is that according to the 1917 LPs all of Charles’ grandchildren, as they are all male line, are legally entitled to HRH Prince/ss

I do think though that saying “Anne chose not too and Andrew chose” does over simplify things.

There was zero expectation or discussion about Andrew’s children not being titled. In fact it was a massive surprise on Edward and Sophie’s wedding day when they announced that any children wouldn’t be HRH.

I can’t stick Andrew at all and I’m glad he’s likely to pretty much h disappear from public view soon. However, he didn’t insist or demand on his children being titled, and back then the Queen was firmly in charge. That was just what happened - sons children were titled and daughters could be given the option.

Bear in mind Anne wasn’t the first royal female to be offered a title for her husband so her children could be titled. Both Princess Margaret and Princess Alexandra were offered. One accepted one declined. Anne chose Alexandra’s route of her being full time royal, husband having his own profession and children making their own way.

A lot of tabloids are reporting that they will be made prince and princess but not HRH.

It will be interesting to see if that is the case or not.

They are also reporting that H&M are furious but I guess we will see about that too.

They are also reporting that H&M are furious but I guess we will see about that too.

Tell me which newspapers , without telling me. 🙄😀

That would require new LP’s as the current ones make both automatic.

Seems like a compromise to me to drop the HRH.
I'm sure most Americans won't clock any difference anyway.

The real reveal is that H&M could of course chose no titles for their dc - like Princess Anne did - but strangely it is super important to them that their dc (who live in America) can be called Prince and Princess. I wonder why? Could it be about the $?

I can see how Anne chose to use Philips because most people, especially at that time, use the father's family name. They are also far down the line with so many family units above them.

I don't really know what the story is with Edward's children. Whether they decided that they were way down the line since before them Charles already had a boy heir and spare. Andrew already had children, who were already grown by the time he had his own. His family is 13-15 currently, and I imagine will go down even further when E&B have more children.

Can't be 100%, but I wonder if Anne and Edward were consulted on all this and agreed.
H&M said they were never consulted on Archie's birth.

Children of colour, A & L are real life prince and princess, that will mean a lot to some people who feel constantly maligned because of their race.

Sophie has made clear in interviews that it was focussed and she and Edward felt that HRH Prince/ss would hinder their children in having “normal” lives, and they knew their kids were going to have to grow up and get jobs.

strangely it is super important to them that their dc (who live in America) can be called Prince and Princess. I wonder why?

I don’t find that surprising tbh, it aligns with their self-important behaviour to date

The Sussex children will live in a republic. I can’t see how having HRH status will be relevant to their lives.

They don't have to be stuck in one place.

One of the York sisters lived in thee US for years. One of them is also based both here and Portugal. The Michaels son has been in the US for years now.

Harry can come and go here as he chooses. Can't his children have British passports too, and reside in both countries ?

The security concern is complete fabrication surely? Beatrice and Eugenie don't have tax payer paid security except when on official engagements and they are HRH princesses.

They did have state funded 24 hour security when they were children.

it all changed in 2011when how the security was worked out was changed because of the costs