Prince Archie & Princess Lilibet?

[susan12345678]

Surely not?

I look forward to Harry's announcement explaining that they will decline prince and princess titles for their DC, in keeping with their decision to stand down as senior royals and live private lives in the US.

Anything less under the circumstances would be rank hypocrisy

They aren’t going to update the website without Harry & Meghan agreeing to it. To do so would unleash a shit storm if it came out that they’d done that. They’ll be being as cautious as possible not to cause offence.

He won’t do Edward to Duke of Edinburgh until after the period of mourning I don’t think. They don’t do celebratory things in the mourning period. Changes in the new heir’s titles are not the same as other general titles being granted.

if A&L currently have the titles, that is what should be listed currently. Anything else, can be changed later when H&M put out a statement, that they will not be using the titles etc.

There is no "ifs" about it. They were entitled to them the very moment the Queen died.

t doesn't need to be written down on a website before it's official. That's like saying I only became Mrs Nimroy when I updated my Facebook account with my new name rather than the moment we were pronounced man and wife.

if the RF were happy for the dc to be automatically made HRH/ princess/Prince the website would have been updated accordingly.

I think as pp have said, it is more a case that they are waiting for the Sussexes to say if they wish to use the titles for their children or not. As at this stage, no letters patent have been issued saying that they cannot have the titles, the titles will be automatically conferred on them but is up to their parents as to whether they want to use them. As per the children of Prince Edward.

Meghan was told by the palace itself that Archie would not be protected because of his lack of prince status - she did not get this from the tabloids or wherever people get it from here.

I presume this is section 1 (in his case) - under the automatic protection of titles like King/Queen, Ambassador, former PM etc. Harry had assumed he was protected under this (as is Andrew and others I think). The met does not discuss protection, so not sure where it's been proven who gets the protection, where and when.

I think the problem here is that you are taking Meghan’s words to Oprah and assuming they were true! A lot of what she said on this topic is inaccurate. You are also stating things that aren’t true yourself.

For starters, Meghan has never said Archie was just named 'master' without the parents being consulted. In reality it was Omid Scobie who broke the news that Meghan and Harry had forgone a courtesy title, a;; part of giving him as normal a life as possible. (It’s also not possible: having bestowed on Harry the title Duke of Sussex with the secondary title Earl of Dumbarton the Royal Family can’t then prevent the Duke passing on his secondary title to his heir as a courtesy if he wishes to do so)

Secondly, Harry’s court case against the Home Office has confirmed that prior to leaving the Royal Family, Harry was never protected under Category 1 of the RAVEC sections (protected because of protection regardless of risk). He only ever fell into Section 2 - protected a case by case basis. In his court case he is seeking a higher protected status than he had as a working royal.

William and Kate’s offices would have had to update their various sites and platforms as soon as relevant, so that dignitaries and officials, news outlets etc had confirmation of how to address them. It’s not crass or insensitive, it’s simply admin to allow smooth transition and signal the correct protocol. It’s really not disrespectful nor unexpected - it’s exactly how it should be. Charles was not crass nor insensitive for becoming King the instant the Queen died. That’s how it works.

Given that one of Harry & Meghan’s complaints is that they announced Archie’s titles without any consultation with his parents announcing a change in their titles without any consultation with them would be incredibly rude.

This is also not true, according to Meghan’s accounts. She told Oprah:

Oprah:  . . . is not going to have . . . he wasn’t going to be a prince? How did they tell you that?

Meghan: There’s no explanation…I heard a lot of it through Harry and then other parts of it through conversations with . . . . family members. And it was a decision that they felt was appropriate….You know, the other piece of that conversation is, there’s a convention — I forget if it was George V or George VI convention — that when you’re the grandchild of the monarch, so when Harry’s dad becomes king, automatically Archie and our next baby would become prince or princess, or whatever they were going to be.… even with that convention I’m talking about, while I was pregnant, they said they want to change the convention for Archie.

So even taking Meghan’s account with at face value, the couple (and definitely Harry) had discussions in which they were told in nadvance that Archie would not be titled a Prince and that the intention was to change the Letters Patent that governed this.

The clear difference is that there has obviously already been agreement with William and Kate that once X happens Y should be done.

so it was already know by their team to change it to Cornwall & Cambridge right away, and that as soon as the Wales title was given (I think they’d have known tbt plan to give it right away) then the children should change to “of Wales” and their things should all be updated right away.

What a horrible post. You would think people got paid to write such drivel on the internet.

if the RF were happy for the dc to be automatically made HRH/ princess/Prince the website would have been updated accordingly.

The official Line of Succession on the royal.uk website didn't even bother to add Lili's existence at all until nearly two months after she was born.

Whoever mentioned the York girls, they did have state-funded security until they were into their twenties, then it got bumped down to them only have security for events with Andrew paying for their regular security himself (which probably means the Queen was paying). They've never not had security.

When the Yorks were children they did have state-funded security. The fact they were expected to fund their security elsewhere once they were gainfully employed adults is completely irrelevant considering the Sussex children are not adults and clearly not able to find full-time employment! They are children, why should they not receive the same level of security the York children did?

My prediction is we will start seeing more of the Prince and Princess - an "At home with Prince Archie and Princess Lilibet" photo shoot for starters.

I bet you a fiver that never happens.

*Has Harry released a statement yet? He's no wordsmith, I wasn't impressed with his statement following the death of his Grandfather. The word "cheeky" hardly seemed appropriate not least because he hadn't even seen his Grandfather for over a year and I doubt there were friendly FaceTime calls in the period after the Oprah interview.

Williams's statement was perfect.

My prediction is we will start seeing more of the Prince and Princess - an "At home with Prince Archie and Princess Lilibet" photo shoot for starters.*

What a predictably nasty comment, I loved Harry's tribute to his grandfather it was honest and from the heart.

Meghan is NOT a princess. That she wished she was, is another matter.

So going back to the OP's subject, I think the parents need to confirm whether the children will take the Prince/princess titles on. And Meghan has said before she would as long as they get "security" (aka money against their budget). Go figure.

Also, have the children been baptised yet? That may be another consideration.

Meghan is NOT a princess. That she wished she was, is another matter

Well she could use her title of “Princess Henry”, which might be what pp means, but no, she is not Princes Meghan

*Princess 🙄

Meghan is a Princess. She’s HRH Princess Henry.

Both she and Catherine were listed on birth certificates for their children with “Princess of the United Kingdom” as their occupations

@JustLyra she is a princess by marriage. Her title reflects her husband's dukedom. She is not able to use "princess" as a title, otherwise she surely would!!! 😅

Exactly. Otherwise make no mistake, we would hear this from her more.

I thought the palace had not confirmed the Royal titles for Harry and Lillibet yet?

I thought the palace had not confirmed the Royal titles for Harry and Lillibet yet?

As has been said many times, they get the titles automatically. It is being assumed (as we don’t act know) that the place are eating for the Sussexes to confirm that they want to use them or not. Presumably communication about this has not happened yet, unlike the other family members where it will have been discussed.

@smilesy I know. But Charles can change that. There are lots of articles in the press saying that their titles have not been confirmed yet. Some here are guessing why that is, but none of us actually know.

Her official title (one of her official titles) is "Princess Henry of Wales."

She doesn't use it for the same reason Kate never used her official title "Princess William", first because Duchess is a higher rank than Princess, and second because most women obviously wouldn't want to be called by their husband's first name Princess Michael is the only royal I know of who uses her husband's first name (her own first name is Marie-Christine).

Sorry for no matter how much you SHOUT, the fact is she does factually hold the title of Princess and could start using Princess tomorrow if she wanted to.

Exactly. It's literally on the birth certificates!

People like to make stuff up to justify their hatred.

I can't believe so many countries apparently hate the uk whilst being so interested in its minutiae.

We could say the same about the UK people and their hatred obsession with Meghan.

Amen! they hate her but can't keep her name out of their mouths 😩

Obsessed freaks.

Charles could take them away. Their useage of titles hasn’t been confirmed yet, but they have them