Prince Archie & Princess Lilibet?

[susan12345678]

Surely not?

I look forward to Harry's announcement explaining that they will decline prince and princess titles for their DC, in keeping with their decision to stand down as senior royals and live private lives in the US.

Anything less under the circumstances would be rank hypocrisy

Clear? Where? You're projecting your own feelings here. How do people sleep at night?

The official Line of Succession has been updated.

Archie and Lili's titles remain unchanged. It's Master Archie Mountbatten-Windsor and Miss Lilibet Mountbatten-Windsor,

www.royal.uk/succession

It's not been said they're entitled to them, they were not entitled to them at birth and in the past that hasn't changed. Prince Michael and Princess Alexandra are no longer the grandchildren of the Sovereign through the male line yet they kept their birth entitlement, the rules were not applied retrospectively.

@IcedPurple thanks - that would appear to settle the matter then

I have no doubt that Charles loves Harry (the jury's out on Meghan 🤣) and it was lovely for him to include them in the speech. But it was also quite clever. Because people all over the world will have seen that and will have felt his sincerity. If Harry starts chucking more dirt, how spiteful he will look when people play videos back, comparing that behaviour to Charles steadfastly claiming his love for his son.

Regarding Archie and Lilibet, they're probably waiting for their parents decision on whether they'll use the title. Once the decision is confirmed the website will be updated.

It wasn’t announced until Charles’s speech last night so it couldn’t have been on SM in less than 24 hours after the Queen died.

With every official tribute or statement released so far from the RF all the questions we have about what is to come is being cleared up rather succinctly.

I suspect/hope the Sussex's will confirm the HRH status of their children in Harry's tribute to the Queen, which will probably be released later today or tomorrow.

I know they are HRH automatically. I mean whether they intend on using it

I know they are HRH automatically. I mean whether they intend on using it

I'm not sure they are HRH automatically. Someone on another thread linked to a legal blog which explains the difficulty:

fromberkshiretobuckingham.substack.com/p/why-i-think-archie-and-lily-are-not

Given that that blog questions the legal titles of the Wessex two when their mother has confirmed, more than once, that they are HRH Prince/ss but don’t use it I wouldn’t put any weight behind anything else they’ve said.

They also completely ignored the actual reason that the Queen issues LP’s for the Cambridge children, which was the change to primogeniture rules.

The Sussex children are legally entitled to use HRH Prince/ss.

The Sussex children are legally entitled to use HRH Prince/ss

Clearly the decision rests with Charles, either way.

Well, yes, he could make the decision to remove it if he wishes.

would be a very large statement to make.

That legal blog also ignored the number of George V’s grandchildren who were born, and titled, after he died. There is nothing in the LP’s to suggest you have to be born before your GP takes the throne, or even be born whilst they are on the throne.

It wasn’t announced until Charles’s speech last night so it couldn’t have been on SM in less than 24 hours after the Queen died.

I was referring to @TheWheeledAvenger. I think the Cambridges updated the account to Cornwall and Cambridge shortly after the the queen's death was announced. And then they updated to Wales after Charles speech. At least that's what I understood that poster to be saying. But maybe they're wrong.

I think when they referred to widely across America, they probably just meant sites like Celebitchy, which is a struggling website that relies on slagging off the RF for clicks. It used to be a light frothy site but, sadly, it's become so nasty over the past few years since they got a new writer.

The social media thing is quite obvious though.

William and Kate are keeping their current accounts with a name change.

charles (well his staff) will take over the Buckingham Palace account, but for now they’ll be used for funeral details and the likes.

How on earth could they and should they speak for their DC over their birth right?

I certainly wouldn't for my DC I would merely explain what a poisoned chalice it is and bring them up away from the glare

The changes in title are automatic and happen the moment the Queen passes. That's why giving the impression you've immediately leapt onto Twitter before your gran's body is even cold to let everyone know you've got a better title is a PR misfire from Will and Kate's team.

Prince Charles’ upgrade (to the King) was included in the very announcement that the Queen had died, which concluded by stating that the King and Queen Consort would travel to London tomorrow!

This is the way hereditary titles work - the clue is in the name. And if you say that Charles didn’t change his own social media accounts then you are just showing your own lack of knowledge. Charles’ office as the Prince of Wales operated under the Clarence House handle. The moment the Queen died that was defunct. He now operates under the Royal Family handle that is the account of the sovereign. If you check his Clarence House account now you will see it says that it is no longer being updated, and to directs people to the Royal family account.

As soon as his father became King, William became the Duke of Cornwall. His social media handle, which reflects his title, was updated to reflect his new title. When his title changed again the next day, it was updated again. There’s no “stand down” period for a title change. And I fully suspect all of this was agreed between Prince William and his father in advance so his palace team knew exactly what to do without the need to bother their boss, who presumably had far better things to worry about right then.

Who “pushed them out”? They left of their own volition.

It's said Meghan wouldn't have him called "Earl of Dumbarton" (the junior title of the Dukedom of Sussex) because of the Dum.

😂😂😂😂 priceless

@sunglassesonthetable that's true Omid Scobie confirmed it

I suspect/hope the Sussex's will confirm the HRH status of their children in Harry's tribute to the Queen, which will probably be released later today or tomorrow.

Has Harry released a statement yet? He's no wordsmith, I wasn't impressed with his statement following the death of his Grandfather. The word "cheeky" hardly seemed appropriate not least because he hadn't even seen his Grandfather for over a year and I doubt there were friendly FaceTime calls in the period after the Oprah interview.

Williams's statement was perfect.

My prediction is we will start seeing more of the Prince and Princess - an "At home with Prince Archie and Princess Lilibet" photo shoot for starters.

@JustLyra fascinating article thanks for posting the link.

Any dirt that Harry throws at Charles I can understand as his mother was wronged by him especially. But his wife, she just “thrives on chaos” and her main source of income is doing just that:

m.youtube.com/watch?v=bMIDWWUn20E

Harry has definitely changed since he’s been with her. He was never previously obnoxious. The wife comes from a very self absorbed “me me me” society (“oh you need healthcare but can’t afford it? Awww diddums”), a highly litigious society, and the home of “the Karen” (”I demand to speak to the manager”). She’s not liked because of her character: saying she was an ugly duckling with frizzy hair and a gap in her teeth (yeah because those are ugly characteristics, although in fairness this is another aspect of the extremely superficial society she is from), and her comment that South Africans celebrated their wedding as much as Mandela coming out of prison (typically humble, and not of hint of BS of course). She used race (among her 15 lies in the lightweight Opra “interview” (one way conversation)) as she comes from a race based society where race is central to everything. Harry has changed as he’s taken on characteristics unfamiliar to him.

Could someone please link or screenshot the statement from the palace where they offer H&M an Earl title please.

Totally missed it .

Thanks

I doubt William and Kate would have updated their titles before Charles announced they were to be Prince and Princess of Wales. They couldnt anyway. The titles had to be bestowed on them.