A positive and non-bashing thread about Meghan and Harry

[MrsMaxDeWinter]

I have rejoined Mumsnet after leaving a few times. The first time I left was because I was concerned about the coverage and uncomfortable undertone of the commentary on Meghan Markle after the engagement was announced, before she had said a word, and before she had married into the Royal Family.

I came back around the time she and Harry left the UK, to be stunned by the pages and pages upon pages of virulent threads. At that time Mumsnet actually banned all threads about Meghan, it had become so toxic.

They have now made their lives in Montecito, but still the virulence continues. Yes, she speaks in a mix of therapy plus corporate gobbledegook, yes, she is occasionally vapid and irritating.

But who is she actually harming that she deserves all this virulence?

Yesterday, when the new UK Prime Minister was elected, the coverage in the Super Tory Daily Mail was all about a seven minute speech to a bunch of young people. Article after article after article. Body language experts. Counting the number of times she said "I" in a speech in which she sought to inspire young people by attempting to relate to them. Before that, 18 articles were devoted to the first podcast by the Daily Mail alone. 18!

Same with her podcasts. The series is about HER and HER take on labels, and she discusses HER take with HER guests.

It's all very anodyne, even vanilla. It does not deserve any of the vitriol sent her way.

SO:

As the next twelve weeks are going to be wall to wall Meghan, and the Meghan haters and detractors have several threads here that fill up rapidly with bile, scorn and mockery, I have started this thread, reminiscent of previous " positive" threads, to talk about what some of us like, enjoy, find amusing and even (gasp) admire, in the next few Meghan rich weeks.

If you don't have anything positive to say, that's okay, you can keep to the existing threads.

Looking forward to a bile-free discussion of everything Meghan!

@Day20
Stop seeing racism everywhere you look, it makes you look....racist
Ever heard of Wallis Simpson?

@Tierne racist against who my white self or the Americans?

I suggest you go and educate yourself culturally.

I'll try again. Have you heard of Wallis Simpson?

There has been a shift change now. William is now Prince of Wales and a step closer to the throne. He and his father are taking charge of this tricky situation.
Meghan has also found out that blood is thicker than water.

I don't think it's necessarily frowned upon if William and Kate hold hands but it was probably a good thing they never did, because otherwise I'm sure there would have been a few 'Melania Trump' moments when they didn't want to hold hands and the press would have had a field day over it.

It’s a break through and an important first (baby) step.

Everyone is raw.

The intentions are good.

If it goes no further than being civil and polite in public then that’s progress.

steppon these things take time, But I’m really hoping that it’s the beginning of a new chapter for them.

@Wartywart good point!

W&K have held hands in public occasionally - after she gave birth a couple of times, after their wedding and infrequently over the years.

They don’t seem to do it much when they’re “working”. They do seem able to stand up by themselves and walk on their own which is good to see.

They do seem able to stand up by themselves and walk on their own which is good to see

🙄

On Twitter last night there was a link to tabloid front pages and there was a photo of Meghan looking at William - can’t find it now, and am not prepared to search for it due to the paper it is, but it made me think there is possibly thawing. They all knew yesterday every thing would be analysed to the nth degree. No wonder they looked tense.

@steppon
Are William & Kate frowned upon if they hold hands?

It's not done in royal circles. People tend to walk independently. In fact Harry wouldn't hold Meghan's hand whilst they were working if the queen was there. It's excited a lot of conversation.

@MarshaMelrose ok I didn't know that, seems a bit of an outdated rule. I'm sure I saw old footage of W&K holding hands & then letting go when they noticed people/press. Just wondered why the plebs would revolt over it, I think it's nice.

but I guess for some it's more important to show they can stand & walk unaided in case there was any doubt as @Floralei said.

Not me

I guess, steppon, it's a bit like if you and your husband/wife owned an accountancy firm. You wouldn't go in to meet new clients holding hands together. I think the queen felt that work was work, personal was personal.
And I know Harry loves her but I don't think he's quite into holding hands as much as she is. I've seen several occasions where he's withdrawn his hand and she's grabbed it back. So maybe that is part of his upbringing? Or maybe because he's British and it's more common to hold hands in work situations in America?
I don't know. Anyway, royal protocol is the short answer.

Omid Scobie tweeted that! The aide comes to ask her if he can take the flowers and she turns round and snaps then suddenly remembers the cameras. I have no earthly idea why he would publicise that particular exchange on the walkabout.

I feel some of the public thrive of the division. That's the bit I don't get

There are three groups of observers of the RF - those who are 'pro', and therefore will tolerate everything, those who are 'anti', and will therefore not tolerate everything, and a third group who are 'status quo-ists until something better comes along-ists'. This last group are perpetually scrutinising royal behaviour in all its form. Clearly, all three groups will generate a lot of division and discussion.

I think Catherine looked sad meghan looked nervous William looked confident Harry im not sure about dutiful maybe?

Meg looks different too, that is a huge factor she is not quite white enough.... she doesn't have the blonde English hair or blue eyes..

Kate doesn’t pass that test either, you realise! 😂

Well Kate has English hair.... and her skin tone is different so the point was she fits the bill so to speak from a visual point.

I knew very well what your snide insinuation meant, just pointing the ridiculousness of it.

I had to sign in to leave this comment, Meghan does have a lovely figure, if you think Kate is a role model with her ultra thin figure it”s your children who I worry for. I regard to your user name I would be worried that anyone would want to love you as you are so cruel. Unless this is your entertainment then more a reflection of you.

Wait a minute, you signed in to be nasty to someone because they were nasty to someone? 🤔
Isn't that a bit pot and kettle?

It was not snide. I was very quite frank. You thought you was funny and I'm just bringing you upto speed Megs hair is afro she straightens it..... she doesn't have English hair just educating you