A positive and non-bashing thread about Meghan and Harry

[MrsMaxDeWinter]

I have rejoined Mumsnet after leaving a few times. The first time I left was because I was concerned about the coverage and uncomfortable undertone of the commentary on Meghan Markle after the engagement was announced, before she had said a word, and before she had married into the Royal Family.

I came back around the time she and Harry left the UK, to be stunned by the pages and pages upon pages of virulent threads. At that time Mumsnet actually banned all threads about Meghan, it had become so toxic.

They have now made their lives in Montecito, but still the virulence continues. Yes, she speaks in a mix of therapy plus corporate gobbledegook, yes, she is occasionally vapid and irritating.

But who is she actually harming that she deserves all this virulence?

Yesterday, when the new UK Prime Minister was elected, the coverage in the Super Tory Daily Mail was all about a seven minute speech to a bunch of young people. Article after article after article. Body language experts. Counting the number of times she said "I" in a speech in which she sought to inspire young people by attempting to relate to them. Before that, 18 articles were devoted to the first podcast by the Daily Mail alone. 18!

Same with her podcasts. The series is about HER and HER take on labels, and she discusses HER take with HER guests.

It's all very anodyne, even vanilla. It does not deserve any of the vitriol sent her way.

SO:

As the next twelve weeks are going to be wall to wall Meghan, and the Meghan haters and detractors have several threads here that fill up rapidly with bile, scorn and mockery, I have started this thread, reminiscent of previous " positive" threads, to talk about what some of us like, enjoy, find amusing and even (gasp) admire, in the next few Meghan rich weeks.

If you don't have anything positive to say, that's okay, you can keep to the existing threads.

Looking forward to a bile-free discussion of everything Meghan!

Simply not true. Which tabloid trash have you been reading? Actually Kate was very diffident about marrying into the monarchy as she knew the responsibility. But having done so we are d3lighted she is playing her part so well.

@Roussette
That's interesting Rousette, I thought you were all about fighting misogyny

There are plenty other threads that the poster could have used to bash Meghan Markle or give a ‘different opinion’
The Op specifically asked for a positive non bashing thread.
So yes it scares me that some posters are so caught up in hatred for this woman that they can’t keep out of a thread that wants to focus on positive things.
Then after bashing her, they then show faux concern and support for the couple.

@Ohnonevermind
Yes obviously it's all about the fires ..

How stupid do they think people are

If Meghan is one, so is Kate. She pursued William for a very long time

Any actual evidence to support this claim, or it just your opinion, based on the biased information available to all of us? It's a rather mean comment, but somehow I am managing not to be scared.

I think Kate did pursue William.

I don’t love Kate but I can see how she’s shaping up to be a good Queen and seems to understand how the whole thing works. That if you can keep your mouth shut and toe the line you get a luxurious lifestyle and huge opportunity in return. She was a good choice by William.

I do wonder if it irked Meghan that her Prince wasn’t the most senior or the heir.

I do wonder if it irked Meghan that her Prince wasn’t the most senior or the heir.

Someone on Twitter - yes I know - said they thought that almost ALL of this debacle could be put down to dislike between the SIL and that Meghan couldn't live a life where she was subordinate to someone she couldn't stand - Kate, for the rest of her life. I had a lot of sympathy with that. I know I wouldn't be able to do it.

I think that Meghan is probably relieved that Harry is not the heir to the throne.

There is no information available, to observe on that. It is what the poster wants to believe, because it suits their agenda as they hate Meghan. Anyone who assumes a woman is a golddigger with ZERO evidence to back that up, is a sexist and a hateful person.

There's been comments to that effect on MN, I hope you've challenged those too, and not just mine
I do not for one minute think she is a gold digger but it seems OK for that to be said about Meghan, even before they were married. I am asking why it's ok to say it about Meghan but not Kate.

I think Kate did pursue William. Should we tell William? The scales will lift from his eyes when he hears from the posters on MN. If it's true then can a woman not pursue a man? Men are allowed to pursue women

There is no information available, to observe on that. It is what the poster wants to believe, because it suits their agenda as they hate Meghan. Anyone who assumes a woman is a golddigger with ZERO evidence to back that up, is a sexist and a hateful person.

In your opinion.

And those who assume Kate pursued William for years and/or that her mother positioned her from early childhood to marry a prince, are they sexist and hateful people too?

Neither Kate or Meghan as far as we know, particularly wanted that 'billion pound wedding'. They wanted to marry the men they love, it's not like they personally had a choice in the form of wedding. Lets be reasonable here. The RF never would have allowed Kate or Meghan to have a private or even moderately modest wedding. The weddings weren't of their choosing.

Oh come now. You made a direct comment about Kate which seemed to be yours. Don't blame other posters. I didn't mention Meghan either.

You havent answered my post or understood it.
Come now, I am saying is it ok to say it about one woman, Meghan, but god forbid if anyone even hinted this about Kate

According to the tabloid Telegraph, or rather as I call it, the tellmecrap. And 'reportedly' at that.

People STILL believe the tabloids I see.... Nothing has changed has it, even after the tabloids had Harry and Meghan leaving the UK.

People still haven't learned. Or more likely, don't want to, because they want to believe the nasty gossip.

No I don't understand your post.

All families do things differently. At my dad’s death recently it was just mum, me & siblings. Our spouses & grandchildren came later.
At fil we were all there as that was what dhs family wanted. It depends on each family.

Also at the funeral imo Andrew should be there, it’s his mother. After that fade away into the background. Harry & Meghan of course if they want to be & are wanted. We asked for 1 person not to be there at fils. Their siblings were welcome but not them.

Nobody would say this bout kate because she is universally loved. In fact with the queen gone I'm betting she is now the most popular royal, above William. Kate could literally have an affair and I think she would be forgiven

One thing I learned that I found amusing was that the Queen started her day at 0900, having risen at 0800. By then Meghan, an early riser, would have put in at least 2 hours of work. No wonder she drove the aides and staff crazy!!

Seriously?! The relentless and day to day workload of the queen has done blows Meghan's out of the water. The Queen's workload was heavier than Meghan's for the short period she was in the RF and the Queen was in her 90s and Meghan in her 30s.

You say you want a positive thread and I've supported that but don't try and involve the queen into your petty arguments because she was worth a million Meghans. I actually feel quite tearful that you're dragging a woman who's only just died and who worked so tirelessly and was so kind to Meghan, (Meghans own words) just to try and big up Meghan.

This might be the case now be she has had a fair amount of detritus thrown at her in the past.

Lets not pretend that she was always universally loved.

Meghan did 72 engagements. Even if they were all day long engagements she only provided three months of labour to the royal family. There is no comparison whatsoever.

And the reason she is universally loved is she has done the work, done the time. Been gentle and discreet. Supported her grandmother in law. Didnt drag the family name through the papers. Didnt coyly throw accusations of, say, ingrained sexism all over the place...without ever specifying names or events.
She just accepted that if she was going to do this, her privilege, love and wealth would come at a price: the price being the notion that the family trumps her as an individual.

By then Meghan, an early riser, would have put in at least 2 hours of work
....what work? Genuine question