A positive and non-bashing thread about Meghan and Harry

[MrsMaxDeWinter]

I have rejoined Mumsnet after leaving a few times. The first time I left was because I was concerned about the coverage and uncomfortable undertone of the commentary on Meghan Markle after the engagement was announced, before she had said a word, and before she had married into the Royal Family.

I came back around the time she and Harry left the UK, to be stunned by the pages and pages upon pages of virulent threads. At that time Mumsnet actually banned all threads about Meghan, it had become so toxic.

They have now made their lives in Montecito, but still the virulence continues. Yes, she speaks in a mix of therapy plus corporate gobbledegook, yes, she is occasionally vapid and irritating.

But who is she actually harming that she deserves all this virulence?

Yesterday, when the new UK Prime Minister was elected, the coverage in the Super Tory Daily Mail was all about a seven minute speech to a bunch of young people. Article after article after article. Body language experts. Counting the number of times she said "I" in a speech in which she sought to inspire young people by attempting to relate to them. Before that, 18 articles were devoted to the first podcast by the Daily Mail alone. 18!

Same with her podcasts. The series is about HER and HER take on labels, and she discusses HER take with HER guests.

It's all very anodyne, even vanilla. It does not deserve any of the vitriol sent her way.

SO:

As the next twelve weeks are going to be wall to wall Meghan, and the Meghan haters and detractors have several threads here that fill up rapidly with bile, scorn and mockery, I have started this thread, reminiscent of previous " positive" threads, to talk about what some of us like, enjoy, find amusing and even (gasp) admire, in the next few Meghan rich weeks.

If you don't have anything positive to say, that's okay, you can keep to the existing threads.

Looking forward to a bile-free discussion of everything Meghan!

@Festoonlights
Some of your posts are nasty and full of venom.
People like you scare me

I see things differently to you.
very differently.
other views shouldn’t ‘scare’ you - they are just other views!
We live in a democracy there are going to be millions of different views, unless you live in a bubble - most people get used to them.

My central feeling where H&M are concerned is this, I sincerely hope for the best for them and the all of the Royal family but fear the worst.
That sums it up.

I genuinely don't any nastiness or venom in your posts @Festoonlights.

I'm so tired of these hyperbolic descriptors being used to imply that a person holding perfectly reason views is evil and therefore should be shut down/ignored.

Haha yes to this!

Honestly yes it's all going to change now the Queen has gone and although some posters on here think it's going to be worse for H&M, I think the opposite.
I think they will be vindicated for leaving

@LondonWolf how is it a perfectly reasonable view to say a woman who made her own money and was independent and accomplished in her own way is a gold digger?

If Meghan is one, so is Kate. She pursued William for a very long time

@Mumsnut
There have been repeated leaks re Charles wanting to slim down the monarchy ( reduce the numbers in the balcony )
Will he also slim down the money they take is my question. Or is it the same trough with fewer snouts?

Re modernising
It is just me who feels all the feathers and gilt and gold braid has now passed out of 'pomp' and into 'foolish looking' territory ? In a way because the queen was a constant it was associate with her as she aged if you see what I mean .

Now Charles' coronation will have him on the throne of gold with his diamond crown and William will be festooned with unearned medals etc etc while people are literally competing on game shows to get their electricity bill paid ?
Really? We're doing this ?

Op
M earn’t very little in comparison to A listers, she is 40/41 time isn’t on her side. I think suits was her limit - even the biggest stars get replaced once middle aged - that’s a separate thread. She was ultimately a fairly old, moderately successful divorcée, she did well to marry Harry. It’s her second marriage and her first was not a runaway success.

@Roussette
I think the difference with Kate is she didnt say "oh thanks for the billion pound wedding, I now plan on making millions off slagging you all off".

I welcome ‘other views’. However, those views should be backed up by some kind of credible ‘evidence’.

This has to be the single most ridiculous thing that springs to mind for me personally when I think of the pair:

www.scotsman.com/news/people/heres-why-harry-and-meghan-rejected-earl-of-dumbarton-title-for-archie-3285107

@MrsMaxDeWinter

she made her own money but looking good is expensive too, she was renting a house albeit in an expensive city.

i’m sure she fell for Harry, but all the trappings must have been seductive too. Who wouldn’t want to pay a trip to the Jewel rooms

the problem with the royal family is behind the pomp and circumstance it’s Tupperware and electric heaters which is probably a shock to anyone used to a well insulated house and a lifestyle curated on a blog. That book Id like to read 🤣

Harry’s connections have got them to the billionaires or at least seriously wealthy table - but they are the ‘poorest’ one there. Which sounds funny to us but makes them vulnerable - say something to Oprah/CEO’s and they’re gone as they’re there as guests which must be stressful.

You are 'scared' of someone with a different opinion to you?

*the problem with the royal family is behind the pomp and circumstance it’s Tupperware and electric heaters which is probably a shock to anyone used to a well insulated house and a lifestyle curated on a blog. That book Id like to read 🤣x

You bought into that did you?! It was spoonfed to you and is nonsense.
It's royal trains rarely used but costing a fortune, helicopters used like we'd take a bus, hundreds of servants for each royal and total opulence. And the freedom to stay in any one of the 27 Palaces, castles or massive country estates that takes your fancy.

Meghan will be the least of the Royal family’s problems now that the Queen has died. All the secrets that were kept hidden out of respect for the Queen will soon come out. Mark my words

I believe you could easily be right, the only proviso being that Charles has plenty of previous for keeping things out of the public's view and now has much more clout

However he can't necessarily force others to keep schtum, and that's why I'd be surprised if his ghastly brother's kept down as much as most of us wish

The problem is it is the negative traits of their personality that makes them interesting, even fascinating - they are the most wonderful characters in some kind of very odd real life soap opera. That is their star quality - their jaw dropping displays of narcissism. They aren't good enough (even though they ARE good at many things) at anything else to keep people that interested, certainly not since they have shown the darker side to their character - it is very hard to believe the positive things are anything other than self-serving.

@Ohnonevermind
I'm sure even you saw through the old Tupperware PR!
Electric fire centre stage
What japes !

Perhaps Harry remembered his aunt the Duchess of York being called the Duchess of Pork? And didn't want a title for his child that could be easily turned into a cruel nickname? Already people speculate that the kids don't exist, that they are borrowed, Meghan had a fake bump. So why create fodder for haters. I am very glad they turned it down if that is the reason. You have endless baby name threads here advising against names that could lead to teasing. So good for them!

@Roussette Old houses are cold, you will have someone in to light a fire but you’ve no underfloor heating and a boost button for the heating.

i looked at an older house Georgian house but my husband said quite rightly - you’d never be warm 🤣

Did she now? What a nasty wee comment, @Roussette
Nobody made William marry her. They've known each other for 20 years. You'd think William would have sussed her out by now. 😆

Because that is how that person has observed the information available and interpreted it based on their own thinking. No harm is being wished, no attacks being predicted or encouraged, no laws being unilaterally changed. It is perfectly reasonable for individuals to hold their own weighed up opinions. It is only very recently that it has become acceptable to devalue and find supreme offence in different opinions and debate, and to not be embarrassed to claim to be scared of those who hold them.

It's an insult to the people of Scotland. It's not Dumb-arton but Dum-barton.
Dum is a common place name prefix here

For that matter, Derxa, nobody made Charles marry Diana, but that didn't stop him suggesting that his father had done exactly that

As ever, it strikes me that the whole damned lot of them could do with a bit more responsibility for their own actions and a bit less blaming of others for nearly everything

Perhaps Harry remembered his aunt the Duchess of York being called the Duchess of Pork? And didn't want a title for his child that could be easily turned into a cruel nickname?
And so a title ending in "sex" would prevent them from being bullied would it?
You are really scraping the barrel