A positive and non-bashing thread about Meghan and Harry

[MrsMaxDeWinter]

I have rejoined Mumsnet after leaving a few times. The first time I left was because I was concerned about the coverage and uncomfortable undertone of the commentary on Meghan Markle after the engagement was announced, before she had said a word, and before she had married into the Royal Family.

I came back around the time she and Harry left the UK, to be stunned by the pages and pages upon pages of virulent threads. At that time Mumsnet actually banned all threads about Meghan, it had become so toxic.

They have now made their lives in Montecito, but still the virulence continues. Yes, she speaks in a mix of therapy plus corporate gobbledegook, yes, she is occasionally vapid and irritating.

But who is she actually harming that she deserves all this virulence?

Yesterday, when the new UK Prime Minister was elected, the coverage in the Super Tory Daily Mail was all about a seven minute speech to a bunch of young people. Article after article after article. Body language experts. Counting the number of times she said "I" in a speech in which she sought to inspire young people by attempting to relate to them. Before that, 18 articles were devoted to the first podcast by the Daily Mail alone. 18!

Same with her podcasts. The series is about HER and HER take on labels, and she discusses HER take with HER guests.

It's all very anodyne, even vanilla. It does not deserve any of the vitriol sent her way.

SO:

As the next twelve weeks are going to be wall to wall Meghan, and the Meghan haters and detractors have several threads here that fill up rapidly with bile, scorn and mockery, I have started this thread, reminiscent of previous " positive" threads, to talk about what some of us like, enjoy, find amusing and even (gasp) admire, in the next few Meghan rich weeks.

If you don't have anything positive to say, that's okay, you can keep to the existing threads.

Looking forward to a bile-free discussion of everything Meghan!

Your posts are becoming increasingly unhinged, hateful and vicious.

Harry will never be to provide the billions Meghan expected.

Why do you assume Meghan 'expected' 'billions'? Or expected anything, at all? You are aware she is a millionaire herself and was before she even met Harry? You seem to be engaging in the hateful sexist and misogynist narrative that Meghan must be a 'golddigger'. Such a hateful and sexist attitude. Meghan clearly didn't want or expect anything. The fact she is happy with being out of the RF and it's 'billions' proves this.

This speculation on what the children would look like. People do speculate within families it doesn’t mean they are racist. I’m mixed race but look totally Chinese even though my Mother was white. My children are only a quarter Chinese but my Dads genes seem dominant so they do have a big Asian vibe as I joke. I mean it was enough of a look for them to both get racially abused at school.

If the public have lost interest how come there can be 21 articles in one edition of the Fail??

Indeed.

On the day after the Queen died, headline story was about Meghan and Harry. And only Harry's journey to and from Balmoral received running commentary. Meghan even knocked Truss out of the headlines on the day she became PM. On the day Charles is proclaimed king, headlines are again about Meghan and Harry.

Girl, please🙄

That's exactly how I see it too. Of course the DM will make it look like Meghan's fault.

Every time I read this batshit and every time I'm amazed that people have the neck to try it on
So Andrew fine to attend a funeral but best if Harry stays away because he is so much worseb

Such a shame you didn't read what I'd written before commenting, Novella, especially when I said quite clearly that "before anyone asks I feel the same should apply to Andrew, though from the fact William had him in the front seat of the car I doubt it will"

And fair point about Andrew being in the front of the car, Readinginthesun.
I guess that even seeing him grinds my gears so much that I lost objectivity there

I just don't know why posters can't see this.

The 'we hate Meghan and Harry' industry is worth billions
Yet people lap it up and treat it as fact

Your experience isn't theirs. You aren't them, you were not there. I would have been astounded if there was any suggestion of the sort about my children - in that context!

Reposting as my question seems to have been conveniently overlooked:

Harry had no choice being born or born into this family, titles come with it, why the hell should he have to give up his birthright, or those of his children

Because his birth right is apparently built over a bedrock of blood, tears,:privilege and abuse.

Considering the evils of empire, the racism of the royal family, and everything that institution symbolises, why would you want the birth right it is shackled to?

Then why would William or any member of the RF want the birth right? If all the other members have it, so should Harry.

Thanks @CatsandFish for answering what I thought was a self-evident thing.

@Puzzledandpissedoff

I'm sorry you are of course right - you did say both Andrew and Harry should stay away . I had only read the extract from your post and assumed you were excluding only Harry ,as I've seen many posters do.

I think if anyone is excluded ( and I'm not100% sure anyone should be ) it should be Andrew. But I know that won't happen

In many cases families come together and spend time. I’ve no idea if that is the case and if they do if Harry and Meghan will join them. That’s a family matter.

i did really like Beatrice’s husband’s post which was lovely on IG

you’d love if someone like Sophie (who is slightly removed) was able to request a cease fire till after the funeral with the condition all are welcome, all is kept private - no sources to newspapers (on either side without united approval) no interviews afterwards (unless the agreed line).

anger is always the quickest emotion to manifest and it stops you feeling what you need to at this time.

I genuinely want the best for both of them. There are two children to consider as well.
We have to be honest though. Many people saw a gold digger. She is a B list actress and although mildly successful in suits was never going to make it into the LA fast lane. Of course marrying a Prince was a win for her. Although it’s not turning out the way she expected.

Then why would William or any member of the RF want the birth right

Eh? That doesn't make sense. William and the rest of the RF dont have a problem with the institution. They're happy with what it represents.

Why not just say YOU saw her as a gold digger @Festoonlights? After all, she is the most independent and accomplished woman to have married into the RF.

Do you believe that Catherine, who waited 10 years to marry William was also a gold digger? Particularly given she chose to go to St Andrews, rather than her first choice of Edinburgh. If not, why is the independent, mixed-race American woman with a black mother the gold digger and not the white middle class woman?

No problem, Novella

Considering the evils of empire, the racism of the royal family, and everything that institution symbolises, why would you want the birth right it is shackled to?

As a republican I obviously agree, but like it or not it offers access to a hell of a lot of money and privilege and it may take more integrity than any of them appear to have to give that up and do something more useful

On another note, the Declaration of Accession's on the Beeb, and I see they've gone with the full panoply of costumes, trumpets and all. Before anyone says it I'd hardly have expected jeans, but surely morning suits would have done?
So much for Charles's much vaunted desire to bring things more up to date

Has Charles said he wants to bring things up to date? I thought he wanted to cut down the number of non working royals but that seems different to me.

I put that very badly, but I hope you see what I mean

I wish them the best - I think Harry's late mother would have been delighted with him protecting his family rather than following protocol, and I have never seen a shred of evidence that Meghan is a gold digger, pushy, manipulative etc. It's entirely BS made up because she's black and American and the press wanted a villain. See for example, the number of headlines of her and Kate doing/wearing literally the same kind of thing and how it's celebrated with Kate but described negatively with Meghan. Media shit-stirring 100%.

Yes I see what you mean, Mumsnut, and his PR sources have definitely suggested before now that he's a "moderniser"

Just google "Prince Charles moderniser" and there's plenty of it out there, and while some is undoubtably media nonsense, I expect we've all noticed by now that many of these stories are "placed" by the principals' staff

The irony is that her detractors are so ignorant that they fail to realise that all this negative attention will simply elevate her.
Others jump on the anti Meghan bandwagon in order to make a quick buck. Even Vanessa Feltz criticised the fact that Meghan was wearing an outfit costing £950 but fails to mention that Meghan’s clothing is not paid for by the British taxpayer.
The DM know that stories about Meghan and Harry get clicks, so it is in their interest to keep the hate going.

Anyway Meghan will be the least of the Royal family’s problems now that the Queen has died.
All the secrets that were kept hidden out of respect for the Queen will soon come out . Mark my words

I'm astonished at any suggestion that Andrew, Harry or Meghan should not be at the Queen's or be shunted to the back. They should all be front and central. Who the bloody hell do you think you are. This is a family funeral above all else.

*Queen's funeral

We have to be honest though. Many people saw a gold digger. She is a B list actress and although mildly successful in suits was never going to make it into the LA fast lane. Of course marrying a Prince was a win for her. Although it’s not turning out the way she expected

Many ppl didn't see that either but judging from the horrible threads on here even before they got married, nothing surprises me
She was labelled and dismissed, it was ghastly.
For instance the one entitled "I'm fucking sick of Harry and Meghan" on the day they got engaged. Go and have a look at it. Some of the posts in it are vile.
This is why I stick up for her, the bullying.

How do you know it's not turning out the way she expected? How?
You are not in her head, you're not a friend of hers, why do you say this stuff when you know nothing of the sort?

The best case scenario is that the Sussexes enjoy their life in the US - there is an agreement to be cordial and respectful between the parties and the Royal family will live their lives as they have done for centuries with no further acrimony from either side. As the a Queen would have wanted.
This would be the least damaging outcome for both sides.
Peace and contentment is what both boys deserve. It’s what most of us want for them, and quite frankly they have both been through enough.