A positive and non-bashing thread about Meghan and Harry

[MrsMaxDeWinter]

I have rejoined Mumsnet after leaving a few times. The first time I left was because I was concerned about the coverage and uncomfortable undertone of the commentary on Meghan Markle after the engagement was announced, before she had said a word, and before she had married into the Royal Family.

I came back around the time she and Harry left the UK, to be stunned by the pages and pages upon pages of virulent threads. At that time Mumsnet actually banned all threads about Meghan, it had become so toxic.

They have now made their lives in Montecito, but still the virulence continues. Yes, she speaks in a mix of therapy plus corporate gobbledegook, yes, she is occasionally vapid and irritating.

But who is she actually harming that she deserves all this virulence?

Yesterday, when the new UK Prime Minister was elected, the coverage in the Super Tory Daily Mail was all about a seven minute speech to a bunch of young people. Article after article after article. Body language experts. Counting the number of times she said "I" in a speech in which she sought to inspire young people by attempting to relate to them. Before that, 18 articles were devoted to the first podcast by the Daily Mail alone. 18!

Same with her podcasts. The series is about HER and HER take on labels, and she discusses HER take with HER guests.

It's all very anodyne, even vanilla. It does not deserve any of the vitriol sent her way.

SO:

As the next twelve weeks are going to be wall to wall Meghan, and the Meghan haters and detractors have several threads here that fill up rapidly with bile, scorn and mockery, I have started this thread, reminiscent of previous " positive" threads, to talk about what some of us like, enjoy, find amusing and even (gasp) admire, in the next few Meghan rich weeks.

If you don't have anything positive to say, that's okay, you can keep to the existing threads.

Looking forward to a bile-free discussion of everything Meghan!

Kitty he can show true respect to her during his day and night vigil. Where he sits during a shortish service is neither here nor there.
Keeping her company is what would truly be,being by her side when she is exposed to the public.
Supporting Andrew cast a cloud over the queen unfortunately and cast a nasty shadow in her later years..
In my view it's the very least this vile man can do..

I also believe Harry and Megan and perhaps their DC should 100% attend the coronation.
It's Harry's birthright,it's his father and one reason why is own life has been thrust into the spotlight.
It's a hugely traditional and important historical occasion,as a prince of the blood Harry and Megan should both be there ( just sans Netflix cameras 🤣)

What?

What in god's name has he done to 'make this all about him'?
I honestly suggest you stop reading the likes of the DM and taking it as fact
Leave him alone, he's grieving with the rest of them

I know that

I am talking about WHY. You want to assume he chose that and I repeat, unless you were party to the RFs arrangements YOU DONT KNOW

How can you be so empathetic that @Kellie45 has got it right - but someone else’s take is hear-say?

You don’t know that.

It’s all speculation and anyone’s opinion on speculation is as valid is as anyone else’s.

I am Certainly not confused thank you. We are all perfectly aware of Harry’s position.

Harry has visited the Queen and came to the Jubilee, his main and only remaining connection to the Royal family was the Queen, and now she has died we can not expect any further invitations for Harry. In some ways it is a blessed relief that the awkwardness is now over.

His loose connection with Andrews two daughters is hardly going to make a stroke of difference to his future.

I am afraid it is the end of the line for Harry. He has severed his relations with the royal family both as a family member and working royal.

I said it was a simple explanation and I believed that to be the case. Because simple explanations often are
My opinion

Ah @MrsMaxDeWinter you want an echo chamber of adoration for a woman that continually attacks her husband's family and makes a lot of money from doing so.

You want to spread half truths or her own skewed truths with only 1 side of a story being aired then don't be surprised if people come along to correct the half truths

Festoon, only emotionally un intelligent people would not make the connection between Balmoral and an 12 year old boy who has the news broken to him of his mother horrific tragic and pointless death.

The Queen had already passed away. This wasn't about Megan trying to force herself into a vigil beside the Queen.
This was perhaps about a man returning the the place which might have horrific deeply traumatic connotations for him and wanting his wife by his side to support him as he faces his grandmothers death.

The fact is Harry chose to alienate himself from his family, to go his own way, backed up by poisonous articles / podcasts from his wife, so the rest of the family cannot be blamed if they don’t rush to include him. But no doubt there will be howls of victim hood from H&M

Well you tell me, Harry had a number of options at his complete disposal to arrive at Balmoral in plenty of time. He choose not to.
The word is Meghan was insisting she must go and released a statement to say she was on her way with Harry without consulting the rest of the family. They are the facts. Prince Charles personally intervened which he shouldn’t have had to do given his mother had just died.

Those are the facts.
The reasons we may never know

Have you conveniently forgotten William also lost his mother? But managed to show up and not make it all about him.

Indeed. I don't disagree with that. Actually, everyone can benefit from good mentorship. Making decisions is, in fact, very, very difficult, and recognising that fact can help save many from disaster.

Try to be accurate and honest - you said - she “has got it right”

“Kellie45 has got it right, a simple explanation”

That’s emphatic.

Festoon,I'm obviously not sure how much a random posters on the internet knows about the ins and outs of the royal family.

However William was older than Harry at the time and William is closer to his father. I'm sure William whilst closer to his father can draw strength from that relationship and also from the sheer power by dint of being born first and being the heir people will naturally be more deferential to him.
William has immense power and I'm sure even his relatives will bear this in mind.
Harry has none of this. He is alone. He can't draw comfort from his father , nor his brother.
Therefore I don't think it's a stretch to imagine Harry wanted his wife there as he faced the death of the most important woman in his life after his own mother..
Any father would usually recognise that.

Why did Harry go to Balmoral? I didn't see any other grandchildren there except William.

I thought this too, but he is the King's son as well as being one of the Queen's grand children so I thought that might be why.

Harry has visited the Queen and came to the Jubilee, his main and only remaining connection to the Royal family was the Queen, and now she has died we can not expect any further invitations for Harry. In some ways it is a blessed relief that the awkwardness is now over.
you do realise he is the Kings son??

I don’t think he deliberately arrived too late . If I am understanding what happened, he wasn’t included in the original summons and there were wrangles about M going so he was delayed.
I think the fact that the death announcement wasn’t delayed until after H arrived is very telling .

@YoniWheretheSunDontShine

that moment wasn’t about Harry. I think he was supposed to be there to to support his dad, not for his dad to support him

Why were there wrangles about M going? Was the original official plan that she should go?

Why do you think Harry is so frail? This is a man who did tours of duty in Afghanistan.

Scobie announced they were both going - that’s about as official M&H as you can get

The Sussex spokesperson announced that H and M were both going .
It was later changed to just H . It was spin that because Catherine wasn’t going , she wouldn’t but “ sources” ( not just the DM ) are saying that Charles himself phoned Harry and said no to Meghan going .

That’s my understanding of how the protocol was enacted - ie HMQ children (+SW) and PW as heir summoned in the first tranche.

PH in the second.

Other grandchildren, nieces and nephews there after.

@Readinginthesun - what do you think is “telling”?

Damn...Why would H n M make a statement about going like that. Wouldnt the palace have called Harry to let him know what was going on and specified that he was required alone?