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A positive and non-bashing thread about Meghan and Harry

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MrsMaxDeWinter · 06/09/2022 07:40

I have rejoined Mumsnet after leaving a few times. The first time I left was because I was concerned about the coverage and uncomfortable undertone of the commentary on Meghan Markle after the engagement was announced, before she had said a word, and before she had married into the Royal Family.

I came back around the time she and Harry left the UK, to be stunned by the pages and pages upon pages of virulent threads. At that time Mumsnet actually banned all threads about Meghan, it had become so toxic.

They have now made their lives in Montecito, but still the virulence continues. Yes, she speaks in a mix of therapy plus corporate gobbledegook, yes, she is occasionally vapid and irritating.

But who is she actually harming that she deserves all this virulence?

Yesterday, when the new UK Prime Minister was elected, the coverage in the Super Tory Daily Mail was all about a seven minute speech to a bunch of young people. Article after article after article. Body language experts. Counting the number of times she said "I" in a speech in which she sought to inspire young people by attempting to relate to them. Before that, 18 articles were devoted to the first podcast by the Daily Mail alone. 18!

Same with her podcasts. The series is about HER and HER take on labels, and she discusses HER take with HER guests.

It's all very anodyne, even vanilla. It does not deserve any of the vitriol sent her way.

SO:

As the next twelve weeks are going to be wall to wall Meghan, and the Meghan haters and detractors have several threads here that fill up rapidly with bile, scorn and mockery, I have started this thread, reminiscent of previous " positive" threads, to talk about what some of us like, enjoy, find amusing and even (gasp) admire, in the next few Meghan rich weeks.

If you don't have anything positive to say, that's okay, you can keep to the existing threads.

Looking forward to a bile-free discussion of everything Meghan!

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MarshaMelrose · 09/09/2022 16:19

Ohnonevermind · 09/09/2022 16:09

@MarshaMelrose

the problem was bitching about people and their comments on other threads. They can’t have it both ways.

I agree. Which is why I think there should be two threads - one for positive posts and one where people can be (politely) critical. And a third thread for those who want to debate and fling insults!

Aspiringmatriarch · 09/09/2022 16:20

MaulPerton · 09/09/2022 15:53

Ohnonevermind You are on fire today (laughing out loud at your posts especially the Fire Saga ones 😀).

Bullying and sycophancy; lovely dynamic.

Of course we can't have one positive thread about Meghan and Harry.

One thing the Queen did IMO was show genuine charity, of the Christian sort. She certainly had her views (and her blind spots) but I really wish those taking incessant potshots might find something to emulate there. There's nothing big, clever or morally superior about tearing people down, especially when you're doing that on a thread specifically created to be positive. Please just give everyone involved some grace.

skullbabe · 09/09/2022 16:24

Serenster · 09/09/2022 12:26

Given some of the comments on this thread - here’s two examples:

I dont know one person who doesn't hate [the Royals]

[The Queen’s] death has elicited many complex emotions in people like myself who are pretty much anti royal and feel the the Queen represented some truly terrible things.

Posters attempting to seize the moral high ground on deploring criticism of the Sussexes is somewhat head-scratching.

Given your stated sentiments, I can only therefore assume you like the Sussexes because they walked away from the Royal family,. If they had stayed within it, I am therefore taking it that you’d still be as scathing of them as the rest of the family?

If you like someone because you appreciate the fact that they have put the boot into the institution and people you dislike, (or, if you’d rather phrase it differently, destroyed the fairytale that you assume the monarchy trades on), then why not own it?

Outrage at people expressing their dislike of the very behaviour that is the only reason you like this particular couple seems manufactured for effect, to me. If you only like them because they damaged the royal family, you must surely accept that other people will dislike them for that same damage?

I suppose this is my issue. I believe I am and have been critical of H&M. I do not think they are perfect, I think they have made mistakes and I think they could have done some things better.

It just seems to me as if the criticism of the pair is relentless, over the top and appears disproportionate. I think this really affects my sense of fair play as I cannot for the life of me understand the level of vitriol thrown their way and this is what I object to.

I have appreciated your commentary @Serenster because I have always get that it is fairly even handed though I may sometimes disagree. I’m actually equivocal about the Sussexes but people are so overwhelmingly negative about them it that my measured approach appears as if I’m a fan. I do not hate the rest of the royal family (I like W&K, Eugenia and Beatrice seems like a laugh and Louise is growing well) - I do dislike the institution they stand for.

Does this make sense?

Ohnonevermind · 09/09/2022 16:24

I like talent, so I’m secretly appalled that valuing talent has been superseded by selling your soul and filling your body with fillers and silicone and flashing your bits on only fans.

I’m appalled that your knowledge and expertise is now less important than the publicity and followers you can bring to an event

I read lying liars by al franken many years ago, it stuck with me

MaulPerton · 09/09/2022 16:25

Aspiringmatriarch · 09/09/2022 16:20

Bullying and sycophancy; lovely dynamic.

Of course we can't have one positive thread about Meghan and Harry.

One thing the Queen did IMO was show genuine charity, of the Christian sort. She certainly had her views (and her blind spots) but I really wish those taking incessant potshots might find something to emulate there. There's nothing big, clever or morally superior about tearing people down, especially when you're doing that on a thread specifically created to be positive. Please just give everyone involved some grace.

Bullying and sycophancy; lovely dynamic

Or, engaging with a lightening of mood.

Have you seen Fire Saga?

Novella4 · 09/09/2022 16:27

@Roussette
Sorry I was derailing but thank you

I was right with you until 'cutting out bread'
Tried that and failed I'm afraid

Aspiringmatriarch · 09/09/2022 16:34

MaulPerton · 09/09/2022 16:25

Bullying and sycophancy; lovely dynamic

Or, engaging with a lightening of mood.

Have you seen Fire Saga?

I've seen it, it's very funny. But I particularly dislike like the tone of the poster making continous nasty digs based on appearance and don't think it merits any praise.

Roussette · 09/09/2022 16:36

Novella4 · 09/09/2022 16:27

@Roussette
Sorry I was derailing but thank you

I was right with you until 'cutting out bread'
Tried that and failed I'm afraid

I eat a bit of bread now, but bearing in mind my hobby during lockdown was bread making and I could barely get out the front door I had to be drastic!

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Redqueenheart · 09/09/2022 17:06

To me Meghan and Harry are of no interest whatsoever.

They are no longer working royals, they moved to the USA so why exactly should we bother with what they have to say or what they do at this point?

I believed they supposedly wanted a quiet life and to be masters of their own fate. As far as I am concerned they got everything they wanted and should be counting their blessings and enjoying their new life abroad. They have two lovely kids, wealth and health. So many people would love to have their charmed life.

So why on earth should we be listening to and paying attention to their constant whining, attention-seeking, headline-grabbing and general nonsense?

They have achieved very little in their lives of real value and don't have any real talents so I am not quite sure why they think their views are of importance to the rest of the world at this stage...

Ohnonevermind · 09/09/2022 17:08

I’m sorry if my Meghan comments offended anyone but she has a fortune and has a best friend who is a stylist. She should be able to get it right.

There is a line between positivity and sycophancy, and some posters have definitely strayed over

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MaulPerton · 09/09/2022 17:14

Aspiringmatriarch · 09/09/2022 16:34

I've seen it, it's very funny. But I particularly dislike like the tone of the poster making continous nasty digs based on appearance and don't think it merits any praise.

As I said, a momentary lightening of mood on the basis of the visuals in the film. Nothing more than that intended.

TarasChoc · 09/09/2022 17:20

It's no more Meghan's responsibility to denounce Andrew than it is Catherine's or any other in law but you'd imagine in this day and age that everyone of them related through blood or marriage would've spoken up.
it's a poor reflection on them all that they haven't and shows just the type of cloth they're all cut from.

As for Harry and Meghan though they've cut off more people than can be counted and criticised some of them in the media. Meghan's father, her mothers family, friends, Harry's father, step mother, brother, sister in law, nephews, niece, other relatives too it would seem and life long friends.
Why was Andrew exempt? Perhaps because publicly denouncing the Queens favourite child would really mean he would be cut off financially.

FrippEnos · 09/09/2022 17:31

Novella4
Harry and Meghan are about change which is always interesting.

H&M are about making money, they are just making noises at they system that you dislike to do so instead of hiding behind it.

SpinCityBlues · 09/09/2022 18:17

Silence is compliance.

Yes.

Have ANY of them (the whole RF) spoken out about Andrew?

I really felt disappointed by the palace protection of Andrew.

I'm hoping that Harry and Meghan will blow the lid off it all.

onlylarkin · 09/09/2022 18:47

@Roussette

Congrats on your success! I have just lost 1 stone and walking was key for me. When I started I could barely so 2 miles. I have now pushed myself 4 miles.

onlylarkin · 09/09/2022 18:54

"So why on earth should we be listening to and paying attention to their constant whining, attention-seeking, headline-grabbing and general nonsense?"

This is what I do not understand. No one has to listen to or pay attention to any of it. Turn the news off. Put the magazine down. Close the online discussion.

LoveHamble · 09/09/2022 19:03

Ohnonevermind · 09/09/2022 15:45

if you can tuck your tits in your waistband it’s not a good look for anyone !

You know i can't stand Meghan and didn't like her cream outfit for a few reasons but her breasts looked pretty perky to me. Haven't you got anything intelligent to say rather than spouting misogynist crap.

MarshaMelrose · 09/09/2022 19:08

I think its lovely that Charles made a special mention of Harry and Meghan and how he loves them.

Samcro · 09/09/2022 19:10

How strange it was hearing god save the king just now

MarshaMelrose · 09/09/2022 19:11

I can't even say King Charles yet. It's too weird.

Ohnonevermind · 09/09/2022 19:15

@LoveHamble

it was general fashion advise re high waistband for (I didn’t reference her in the post) but feel free to ignore me

skullbabe · 09/09/2022 19:20

Roussette · 09/09/2022 16:04

Thank you Marsha.... I'm not going to pretend it was anything but a hard slog, but I feel health wise so much better for it. In my life, I've been a size 20+ and a size 8 and all sizes in between 🤣. I think for once, I'm now at the size I should be, size 14.

Congratulations on your health journey Rousette. I have a pair of high waisted trousers I’m looking forward to wearing when I get myself together. It frightens me how I will be described when some one as petite and good looking as Meghan gets described as looking like Simon Cowell and short bodied. I wonder if these posters realise just how unpleasant they sound.

Roussette · 09/09/2022 19:22

onlylarkin · 09/09/2022 18:47

@Roussette

Congrats on your success! I have just lost 1 stone and walking was key for me. When I started I could barely so 2 miles. I have now pushed myself 4 miles.

Keep going! If you need to of course, I really really did!
Walking and podcasts have been my saviour! I could only stagger around 2 miles but can easily manage 5 now, it's just how long it takes and fitting it in my day.

Roussette · 09/09/2022 19:26

@skullbabe

This is my aim.
www.zalando.es/anna-field-button-waist-wide-leg-pants-pantalones-black-an621a069-q11.html

Love this look

Sorry to derail

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