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With another podcast set for release this week, The Sunday Times has a piece addressing Harry and Meghan's apparent strategy:

Courtiers are bemused by the Sussexes’ determination to rage against the past. As Davis observed of Meghan in her article: “She has taken a hardship and turned it into content.” A source who knows the Sussexes questions why Meghan “is constantly looking back at how awful it was to briefly be a royal. What does success look like, is it a number in the bank? Is it that they’ve killed off the monarchy?” Another Palace source says: “Ultimately they are bashing the institution that has put them in the position they’re in, the longevity of that strategy is not sustainable.”

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/harry-and-meghan-keep-bashing-the-monarchy-because-its-good-business-royals-believe-nq29p6g7z

I'm curious about their strategy, too. They seem to think that criticizing the royal makes them look better - it really doesn't. Instead, it just makes them look petty and increasingly irrelevant.

That Oprah interview - of all the varying recollections one thing I think to be true is the questioning of how dark Archie would be by a senior member of the RF. That I can absolutely believe to have come from the mouths of some of them. And please, spare us, no-one cares if you and your family were innocently curious as to how your mixed race dc would come out. It's still objectionable.

skullbabe VladmirsPoutine

its to show that not only are the U.K. press feed up to the back teeth with the ever ending woe is me, but the USA press are also getting feed up with it.

Front page of the New York post this week.

When Harry said “my father cut me off financially” I assume he meant the Duchy of Cornwall would no longer fund his security. Harry was left money very sadly by the Princess of Wales and I think also by the Queen Mum. The consorts tend to leave their private wealth to non heirs (or more specifically, those far down the direct succession). So one assumes the Queen mother left more to Anne, Andrew and Edward than to Charles not because she loved them more, but because they need to live outside the taxpayers’ domain. Prince Philip, one assumes, will have done the same with Harry included as well as Beatrice and Eugenia and Louise and James. Not because they love Charles left but his finances are separate.

whatever millions Harry received in 1997, if they were in the most basic tracker he would be richer than most Mumsnet posters, even with inflation! He could have pottered to a Hereford or Norfolk farm and married the beautiful, articulate Meghan and had gorgeous babies and one hopes, been deliriously happy with their lot in life. Healthy children, 7 figures in the bank and being totally in love with each other.

I don’t know why that wasn’t good enough, honestly! Then I hear the Mariah Carey podcast and how cross she is at being called a “diva” and I get it.

The farm idea is my heaven but I don't think H&M are interested in agriculture give or take some 'rescue' hens

I agree plus they also didn’t agree when the alleged comment was made.
it’s the same with the allegation that a member of the media used the n word when referring to Archie and lilibet . Name and shame !

Not too sure we know what the rf relationship is among everyone.

We were told that H&M are distant to everyone, but they say they are close to HMQ in a way - I do believe that.

They were still zooming with PP and HMQ - he just slams the laptop closed when finished talking😄. She brought Archie a pancake machine/waffle machine or something 😃.

Eugenie actually visited as we have seen.
Mike T indicated that there is a family whatstapp.
During the jubilee it seems H&M made some jokes with the dc, to wind them up maybe, it seems they were cackling all over the place and H&M were shushing them. We don't know what they said ofcourse, but dc will not fall your jokes and wind ups if you they view you negatively.

These are real people and their feelings should be taken into consideration.

Don't quote me and cling to it, as I don't remember the full details right now. Can't be bothered to have another look. At some point after the Diana tragedy, the palace employed someone who was credited as 'modernising' the rf. In that time, I remember that the press backed off Sophie, while pops were naturally taken, KM was given a helpline to deal and things we're not as visceral as now.

After H&M got married, that person was kicked out by PC. A couple of years later, HMQ did hire him back - but I guess it was too late at this point. The press narrated that he was there to 'keep an eye on mm'. I viewed it as HMQ worried about how she was treated and trying to see if anything can be done? Not sure what power and influence he had at that point. It's possible that he had no power at all all, don't know.

Things have gone back to gladiator fights right now. All unnecessary

Why don't they expose the person and create genuine change and investigation

Perhaps because the potential for suspicion to fall on many suits H&M better?
Worst of all for me was Meghan smirking that naming them "would be damaging" ... as if so much else that they've done isn't

I'm another who has little time for sneaky allegations without proper detail, but I'm pretty sure the palace will have asked them who it was because that would be the obvious thing to do.
For their sakes I only hope they produced a credible reply, because anything less may have damaged them badly in the long run

What? No, not the whole country is being presented as racist. H even says it out and out at the interview. That is what the media keeps on saying to try and get H&M hated.

As with any family we never know the whole story however if the cousins are so close why didn’t H and M go for the boozy lunch which Mike talked about .
And it did look a bit frosty on the Abbey steps .
I do think they should go to Balmoral to see HM as I seriously doubt she will return to London .

Wow, I went out for the day and missed all the drama. Can't MN just ban the offensive namechange person?

It’s the hypocrisy of earning a living mainly off slagging off the institution you couldn’t get away from fast enough while benefiting from the titles bestowed upon them that sticks in peoples throats.

I'm not convinced this was ever the original plan.

Covid scuppered the original intention to fleece bankers step out on the lucrative after dinner circuit which would have kept them afloat two or three months until they could pick and choose the megabuck business deals (that were bound to roll in) at their leisure. Global lockdowns left them casting around for a way to maintain the profile they needed to haul in the $$$.

They never had a Plan B but emergency shitting on their own doorstep has rather toxically turned into one.

It’s the same with the allegation that a member of the media used the n word when referring to Archie and lilibet . Name and shame !

I thought it was supposed to have been only about Archie (?) but yes - just as with the unknown RF member's own "racist remark" if they've got something to say then say it, but otherwise don't expect sensible people to take the allegation seriously

And still nobody's identified where this n word was used by the media ... odd, that

Maybe the palace could have had an opportunity to say who it was and what they meant? Instead of ' recollections may vary' which is so insulting - and may be used against them actually if they thought they were being clever.

In general, I don't think the person needs to be named, the whole thing was about the culture that is perpetuated at the firm and how it impact the family members.

A quick : apologies to H&M for taking it the wrong way, but that person (doesn't have to be named) was not trying to be mean or racist, they now recognise their mistake and how it can come across. We are learning more and more about racism and we are anti racist, happy that a person of colour has brought this up from their point of view.

Yes, I know this would still be questioned, but its' much better that that original statement - overall insulting to people of colour. Obv someone in pr could come up with something better.

Beautiful man, he's like an early 70's Brad Pitt 😀

The consorts tend to leave their private wealth to non heirs (or more specifically, those far down the direct succession). So one assumes the Queen mother left more to Anne, Andrew and Edward than to Charles not because she loved them more, but because they need to live outside the taxpayers’ domain. Prince Philip, one assumes, will have done the same with Harry included as well as Beatrice and Eugenia and Louise and James. Not because they love Charles left but his finances are separate.

We can't assume anything when royal wills disgracefully remain sealed.

What are your thoughts about the media allegedly using the n word ? Do you not think that needs clarified ? Someone should be sacked !

I think we should stop pretending that any of this is really about them. Their team have started a monster of a PR strategy around race. The reactions they are getting remind me of the craziness surrounding the OJ Simpson trial.

There are only 2 possibilities:

1. This woman is a victim of widescale racism, some of it overt and that is what is stopping her from becoming the A-list, Obama-style authority on racial justice and gender equality that she seems to want to use her voice for (alongside a little Goop-inspired lifestyling)

1. There's more to it than that

Which is it folks? Roll up and join the bun fight. Each click grows their fame a little more.

(I haven't listened to the podcasts but loved the article in The Cut by Alison P. Davis, it sidestepped the trap so elegantly by suggesting that despite all of the publicity and firestarting, this whole story is a bit of a nothingburger - and one that has been bought and paid for by a pair of hilariously pretentious twerps).

I mean it sounds lovely, but in her mind she gave up her career and had some what of a profile before this. I don't think she would have been content to just play happy families in a field somewhere.

If one of the royal rota journalists used the n-word, then that person should be named and called out on it and dealt with according.

if she won’t and can’t name anyone and prove it - ie it needs to be more than a “feeling” that the word was used - then Meghan needs to apologise for slurring the British journalists involved in the rota.

I completely agree . It’s a terrible thing to say and if the allegation is true , the person needs to be dealt with .

Ooh I’ve often wondered what LoganAir was like when I thought of flying from Norwich - thanks for this.

Yes - it’s this.

You are aware that other posters significantly more critical of Meghan (on the other side of the aisle so to speak) also criticised your post.

The New York Post is the equivalent of the Daily Mail. It is a Murdoch owned enterprise.

It hardly bolsters your cause including commentary from media who are in the fastest race to the bottom of the gutter. People on your side of the debate agree it shouldn’t have been included.

“I don’t know why that wasn’t good enough, honestly! Then I hear the Mariah Carey podcast and how cross she is at being called a “diva” “

How many times? She was not cross.