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With another podcast set for release this week, The Sunday Times has a piece addressing Harry and Meghan's apparent strategy:

Courtiers are bemused by the Sussexes’ determination to rage against the past. As Davis observed of Meghan in her article: “She has taken a hardship and turned it into content.” A source who knows the Sussexes questions why Meghan “is constantly looking back at how awful it was to briefly be a royal. What does success look like, is it a number in the bank? Is it that they’ve killed off the monarchy?” Another Palace source says: “Ultimately they are bashing the institution that has put them in the position they’re in, the longevity of that strategy is not sustainable.”

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/harry-and-meghan-keep-bashing-the-monarchy-because-its-good-business-royals-believe-nq29p6g7z

I'm curious about their strategy, too. They seem to think that criticizing the royal makes them look better - it really doesn't. Instead, it just makes them look petty and increasingly irrelevant.

Anyone who puts themselves in the public eye on a continuous basis will be discussed. People will form opinions based on the behaviour they see.
That awful piece of work Andrew has been discussed many times. I don't ever recall seeing anything much positive written about him even before the revelations and most certainly not since. Any time he chances his arm and popping his head out he gets severely criticised in the media and deservedly so. In my opinion The Queen has been let off the hook by the British public in how she's dealt with Andrew. She's treating him like her son when he needs to be treated like a member of an establishment who has behaved appallingly and brought shame on the establishment. He should be expelled for his actions.

Harry and Meghan court publicity. They want fame and want to be popular and in demand. Unfortunately for them their behaviour is not the type which the general public admire. Meghan in particular comes across as desperate and scrabbling to have something relevant to say. They are self serving and can't understand why people don't like them. Because they lack self-awareness they're unable to look at their own behaviours and see how toxic traits have crept in. They have an excuse for everything, all the estranged family, lost friends and ex employees with grievances is everyone else's faults. It's easier to blame racism for the lack of popularity with the media and general public than to take a look at your own selves and realise that your behaviour just isn't something other people admire or aspire to.
They could've left the Royal family, became independent, never said a word against anyone, courted publicity and lots of money making projects and behaved with decorum and most likely achieved the fame they're so desperate for. If they had suffered injustices at the hands of Harry's grandmother, father, stepmother, brother or sister in law it would've seeped out over time and they would've gained sympathy and empathy.
Instead because Meghan in particular insisted on making unfounded accusations, telling half truths and embellishing events they've turned themselves into a laughing stock that most people including Harry's own family won't choose to associate with and keep them at arms length when forced to be in their company.

I assumed.
Surely no one joins MN for the first time and decides to call themselves that? 😮

Don't think you can tell.

My email says dealing with it off the boards now so hopefully the poster will be banned or suspended ar the least.

Surely no one joins MN for the first time and decides to call themselves that?

Who knows - it can be an odd place sometimes

Thanks for clarifying though

Yes, mine too. Obviously a lot of us reported it 👍

I was a bit worried there, you thinking it was me sock puppeting!

I changed my name once years ago for one post, something very personal to me. You wouldn't believe the mess I got into going back to Roussette lol
It wasn't pretty 😂

I agree with this - Meghan before she met Harry had her humanitarian credentials - daily middle of the road but she definitely was swimming in those waters so to speak. It is surprising that she went with Harry with all of the baggage of the royal family - but this is where I extend her some grace.

I, like many others, have been brought up with the overwhelming positive portrayal of the Royal Family as dedicated, selfless and charitable servants of the people. I only started to question some of the things about them around the time that Kate was getting a hard time. And unfortunately (in my early thirties) is when I learned the disappointing full truth of the RF amongst other things. It’s conceivable that Meghan seriously thought the worst of it was the Nazi costume because she was sold the same picture many people in this country are sold of a benevolent monarch (nevermind the slavery, colonialism etc). And Harry probably behaved differently with her and she believed he had learned and she went into it all starry eyed.

Her naivety in just how much she could change the behemoth is astonishing - I remember how earnest she was in the beginning and how heartbreaking it must have been to realise that all was not what it seemed once she got here.

This is where I think I differ from several posters -in seeing where the blame lies - I think Harry seeing his wife struggling is the one who wanted to step back and who pushed the go button. I think it was Harry who in his own words was angry that his family did not protect his wife like he’d seen them protect others. The problem is with this as I’ve said before Harry has no marketable skill and this is why we will always see something media related (film, podcast) because this fits in Meghan’s skill set.

I don’t think that Harry’s relationship with William will ever be repaired even in the event of a divorce (which is such an odd thing for people to speculate about) because although we are not privy to their personal relationship - the one public thing we have all seen and aware of is that William and indeed the rest of the RF have briefed the press negatively themselves about H&M.

Again - we really should get rid of the lot of them 🤣

I did in fact say, I don't read these American publication and have my own opinions on them

how can you have an opinion on something you know nothing about?

I was a bit worried there, you thinking it was me sock puppeting!

Of course not, Roussette - TBH I don't recall you ever namechanging - though I admit I did wonder if someone had, just to see what the reaction would be

Happily, going by HQ's apology for the mass message, it seems plenty of us found it unacceptable, so I guess it's all good in the end

It seems I missed the drama. That was a nasty user name and I completely missed the post too. I would have joined in the mass reporting if I’d been online.

@notanotheroneagain - I highly recommend ‘all the presidents men’ an oldie but a goodie which might make you see the Washington post in a new light. It also has Robert Redford 😀

Seriously - the number of people being diagnosed with NPD on the internet.

@skullbabe
Great post, I agree with all you say.

Sadly, it was never going to work, I could've guessed that from day one.

True, MM plays the victim card very well and needs no help from anyone.

They need to stop using Scobie too,as you say.

one way to get the press to back off is for them to stop with the TV interviews all about how hard done by they are, the podcasts that are mainly about Meghan and the Cut interview. Funny that haven’t thought about that. But wait - their source of income is being relevant and current.

@skullbabe the one public thing we have all seen and aware of is that William and indeed the rest of the RF have briefed the press negatively themselves about H&M.

Can you provide rock solid proof of this?

You go on and on about Meghan not being given the protection that others were given yet that is demonstrably untrue - Camilla was given a rough ride by the press for a number of years as was Kate.

their reputation does not need to be unnecessarily tarnished

very true. They do that all by themselves, removing all doubt about who tarnishes their reputation. They just need to look in the mirror.

As a bi-racial woman who feels strongly about equality for women, I’d imagine it could be hard to square marrying into not just a family, but an institution built with the suffering of black, slave labour and the empire building that goes with it

I've sometimes thought this could well be the basis for those who believe Harry was just an opportunity to her (personally I'm keeping an open mind on it)

It's true that the overall presentation of the RF is positive - they make sure of it - but while this may pass for the casual enquirer I'd expect a bit more digging from someone planning marriage. After all it's not as if the downside's hard to find, especially as said for someone already skilled in internet use

I was about to cite the excellent credentials of the Washington Post (and Robert Redford!)

@notanotheroneagain seriously, it is a very long way from the Daily Mail. Not to spoil All the Presidents Men for you (it won't anyway, because Redford) they broke Watergate. Huge and brave risks were taken by the owners and staff.

Everyone knows the royals are racist . The concept of royalty is an inherently racist idea

Royal families and hereditary monarchies are a very common concept though - they are found the world over, in Europe, Africa, India, Asia, China, Japanese, Malaysia, Pacific Islands etc. And even where the government is no longer a monarchy, the status of the “royal” families is still recognised. Are they all racist then?

Disgusting.

should be deleted completely, not leaving the name.
no need to give oxygen to this sort of thing

We watched All the Presidents Men recently as it was being shown on Sky as it’s the 50th anniversary of Watergate this year. Sad to say I’m old enough to remember it happening at the time.

And Carl Bernstein is still commenting and respected

She's the sort of person that would never make a self-deprecating joke, or you couldn't make a gentle joke towards in person about her Her sense of humour is very odd. I remember the Ellen skits. Who knows. Harry himself has always seemed to have a good sense of humour. Maybe they're different at home and they tease each other normally.

There are many Kings in Africa.

@Novella4

I know that you have posted and run but I think I will answer anyway.

‘One bloodline being superior’ well, yes, that’s a common assumption in monarchies. I think it was equally the case in China, certainly in Japan, in Nigeria. The inheritance of the right to be Caliph is one of the main causes of the Sunni Shia disagreement , I believe.

However, The ‘ superiority’ was probably based on one person being notably better at fighting and ruling than the others in his tribe, not on him or her being brown, yellow, white or having chestnut hair. The inheritors had to prove a similar competence, or they were overthrown

I know that you are very agitated about the ‘Empire’ but British Kingship in any National sense probably traces back to Athelstan, around the middle of the tenth century, so more than a thousand years ago. A great deal of the ceremonial and regalia of the British Crown was devised and made long before the Americas were ‘discovered’ by Europeans, and certainly before the British could claim any overseas territory with the possible exception of part of South western France, which was legitimately inherited through Eleanor of Aquitaine.

I find the idea that Britain has no history or tradition which predates the relationship with Non European countries quite offensive, tbh.