More Of Meghan’s Archwell podcasts…

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Just to continue the discussion

The title of Prince can be removed from any individual. There is no requirement to remove anyone else's title at the same time, that's not how it works.

Meghan has benefited from being fairer skinned (privilege) in the US however, my interpretation of what she means is that when she started with Harry she had never been othered as much as she was. This statement is guaranteed to annoy many people even though it may be true for her

I think she passed as white (she described herself as caucasian on her acting CV) until she married Harry. When she became high-profile, the media was obviously interested in her background & it became a talking-point.

Did she ever talk about being half black on the Tig? Perhaps she did, I wouldn't know. But I've read about people from her past saying they weren't aware she was mixed race. When I first saw a picture of her, I assumed she was Latina or perhaps Middle-Eastern/ Armenian like the Kardashians.

The relationship where John made Yoko go with him everywhere - including the bathroom - that relationship?

Meghan has always said she is biracial - she has said that she can play white as an actor. Which she can. Enough people on this thread have said that they wouldn’t have thought she was biracial but actually white.

Agree. Plus Meghan’s father in suits was black.

Meghan has always said she is biracial - she has said that she can play white as an actor. Which she can. Enough people on this thread have said that they wouldn’t have thought she was biracial but actually white

I suppose my point was that her race would never have been a topic for general discussion until she suddenly became high-profile.

Which is basically what Meghan said in the interview

Which is basically what Meghan said in the interview

Yes. But I don’t think it just became a topic because she married Harry - it became a topic because she was high profile. Much like Kamala Harris, for example.

This is so sad. I wonder if Serena has heard or had time to reflect on the interview.

This is so sad. I wonder if Serena has heard or had time to reflect on the interview

it’s probably quite a small thing for her, she has a lot more going on than a podcast with MM

Yes that relationship. I’m not saying Meghan does that with Harry, but there is certainly a co dependent dynamic . John looked to Yoko as a substitute mother figure and she completely controlled and dominated him. Didn’t encourage contact with Julian, or his family. Had to be present all the time , didn’t encourage relationships with others who threatened her.. coercive control.

I thought it was interesting that Meghan wasn’t at Serena’s tribute for her first-round match at the US Open. Gayle King was the presenter, with a video tribute from Oprah with all sorts of sports and movie stars in attendance. No Sussexes, though. Given the podcast had been released just a handful of days before, you would have thought Meghan not just to support her friend, but also to promote it,

That is my interpretation of what she said too and it made sense to me. I wouldn't dream of arguing about how she felt/should feel and can also well imagine that there is stuff we don't know about, such as awful racist letters being sent to the Palace. It is one reason why I take a bit of a different view on their security to many, because even if they did stop using the titles and became entirely private, I see real risks exist and wouldn't go away.

I get the feeling that a lot of it is a performance for Harry. She needs to keep him feeling emotionally connected to her narrative as victim, maybe because that’s what makes him feel like her hero

It's an interesting thought, but if true a lot will depend on whether Harry has the emotional resiliance to go on accepting the angst she invites - the more so because his RF background would have involved only their thoughts and feelings counting for anything

H & M sought to undermine the institution, which prompted many, who may not have considered doing so previously, into action to defend it

This is true, but maybe it's worthwhile examining why some are driven to defend it? Obviously I can't speak for others, and as a republican I'm bound to say this, but for me it really is the principle involved rather than the individuals - and even the most loathsome people don't deserve to be lied about

But MM wouldn’t have the starring role so wouldn’t be there

But MM wouldn’t have the starring role so wouldn’t be there

Presumably she could have sent a video message if she were asked to, tho? Perhaps she was worried about being booed by the crowd.

As the child of a narcissist, I can see very similar traits in MM.

Any attention is good - even negative.
Getting what she wants by playing the victim, meaning PH rushes to defend her regardless. She seems to perceive everything as a personal attack and by being the victim, she looks like the ‘misunderstood good guy’ then she gets extra sympathy because we’re all appalled by the alleged racism etc.
She has the need to decide/control what the truth is, which causes her to interpret events in whatever way suits her narrative.
Perceives herself as special/some kind of saviour.
Attacks anyone who challenges or appears to be getting wise to the game.
Alienating family/friends of PH as she either sees them as rivals for his attention from her or that they may potentially open his eyes to the real facts.

The advantage MM has is she has a worldwide platform to play her games on whereas most narcs operate within a family or friendship group.

As others have posted, I completely get why the pair of them wanted to opt out of the RF and was quite sympathetic to start with, but they can’t cherry pick and have the advantages of being royal when it suits them and then complain when it doesn’t.

John was the controlling one in the relationship not Yoko. This information of the dynamic in their relationship has recently come to light - the reason Yoko was always there was because John didn’t want her out of his sight. John was abusive to Julian well before he met Yoko - please see interviews with his housekeeper.

I suppose this why I was confused SilverLiningPlaybook because I thought with that analogy you felt that Harry was controlling Meghan which was not really what I thought you meant based.

Interestingly I find your choice of the case of Yoko fascinating - a forthright, self assured, confident woman who pursued John (even though he was married). She then subsequently became a target of ire by everyone (not John’s family) in not dissimilar ways to the way Meghan has attracted the ire of some people.

She was too full of herself. She didn’t understand her place (why was she always there). She was odd and had strange affectations. She was foreign. She was the reason the Beatles split (if John hadn’t fallen in love with her and wanted to do the lie ins for peace and all that peace and love stuff then John wouldn’t have wanted to leave). She was a hypocrite. And nothing will shake the idea of Yoko as the villain of the story from many people’s minds.

Just like I see nothing Meghan does will ever be right

Interesting.

I don't get the impression that Harry is controlling Meghan, although he does seem to have a very unpleasant temper, so who knows what goes on behind the scenes?

Just like I see nothing Meghan does will ever be right

I'm sorry but this is just a very lazy argument.

As per my pp, I'm one of many people who felt M did a lot of things right initially. I admired her for challenging many of the petty traditions and protocols of royal life.

I'm addition to those I've already mentioned I was very supportive of hers and H's decision not to spend Christmas at Sandringham when Archie was a newborn. Who in their right minds wants to spend Christmas bound by a load of strict timetabled traditions (allegedly involving 5 changes of dress through the day), country "sports" etc when you could have a relaxed Christmas cuddling your baby? Not me that's for sure - tradition be damned.

So where did it all go wrong?

Well imho it was their going public with their list of demands on stepping down as senior royals.

They should have conducted these negotiations in private with the RF and come to a joint agreement and presented a united front.

As is, they assumed they'd get what they wanted, however ridiculous (and greedy), including things (such as security) that were not in the purview of the RF to give (security is provided by the Home Office via the Met).

When their list was refused, rather than graciously accepting what they were offered, they went on the attack, to justify to the public the frankly outrageous demands they had made in the first place (something they would not have needed to do if the negotiations had been private).

I can also be argued they may even have got a better deal if they'd not gone public because the RF would not have had to counter some of their demands in response to public perception of them being excessive in respect of a couple whose net worth was at that time over £30m.

The narrative has not changed since. They are the victims.

Victims living in luxury and basking in the reflected glory of an institution they they purport to despise, whilst continuing cashing in on it.

It's hard not see this by any stretch as being "the right thing".

It could have been very different. An amicable separation where they remained on good terms with the RF and were welcomed at royal events by family and public alike, whilst forging forward with their interests in the US without any of this negativity.

However, they seem intent on sticking with the narrative of being "wronged" whilst showing off their multi million pound home, furnished to a high degree of luxury.

It's not a good look, especially when you're trying to present yourselves as being progressive and self aware.

She certainly did/does appear to prefer white boyfriends and husbands and it’s always made me wonder just how she identified. Oprah Winfrey on the other hand said she’d never marry a man who wasn’t black as they were disenfranchised enough in life because they were black and they didn’t need black women/powerful black women adding to it.

So where did it all go wrong?

Good question. I don’t think there was 1 moment; I think it was the slow realisation that she was happy to have all the trappings of a royal lifestyle, but clearly held the public in contempt and decided to treat them like overexcitable children with her snotty directive ‘statements’ and refusal to share basic information which could hardly said to be intrusive. Whatever she was trying to do, it just doesn’t work in the RF which is nothing like the world of B-list celebrities.

I admired her for challenging many of the petty traditions and protocols of royal life.

To be fair the RF is a petty tradition, more or less, so to try to ‘modernise’ them is to defeat the object of them in the first place. It’s like trying to ‘modernise’ a stately home, it just removes whatever the appeal was to start with.

What traditions do you mean? Some like wearing hats, gloves and tights- good
Others like not shoving yourself in front of other people and listening to others in an interested manner - not good.