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Just to continue the discussion

That was not my question, I just asked if you would trust William given that he has apparently lied?

yes or no

whataboutry is changing your principles for different people.

If PW/KP decided (or were advised) to keep his medical status quiet in the febrile atmosphere of the worst of Covid, I can understand. I would equally understand if Meghan/Harry decided not to share information about their own health.

If PW decided to start spreading information via interview which conflated him with Nelson Mandela in any way, shape or form, I would think him an idiot with a very strange sense of self.

Empire of Cringe 😂

Identity politics, the valorisation of victimhood, the supposedly unquestionable nature of one’s ‘lived experience’ – so many of the elite trends of our era combine in The Harry and Meghan Show. And with often comical results. We’ve ended up with a millionaire duchess moaning about being oppressed from the comfort of her California mansion.

Reminds me of someone's description of the Oprah interview as two millionaires complaining to a billionaire about how hard their lives are.

The thread is about Meghan' podcast. But I am not really surprised William lied to the press about Covid. (Do you think he trusts the DM and the Express?) I didn't tell many people I had Covid, as I couldn't bear them all calling me and worrying. Imagine that being a pack of media outside your house creating drama about the bloody succession? I have very little time for most of the RF, but I feel sorry for William.

Ah, so it is ok for a William to lie? just because you like him?!
I mean, he is a big boy and can stand up for himself. He could have said it is a private matter. Or no comment. But he and his team said categorically that he did not have Covid, when he indeed had Covid.

(Btw, he lied to the Royal reporters, not just DM)

like I said, people here would have more credibility if they took a consistent stand and deplored and mistrusted all the apparent liars.

Yes, just like Andrew. A liar.

OK, I am happy to lack credibility because I don't care if William had Covid or lied about it. Ref. the Lion King story, I wasn't there I so don't know what happened. Deplore and mistrust are pretty strong words mind. I raise an eyebrow at this stuff at most.

So what’s your stance on MM lying?

"A cast member from South Africa pulled her aside. “He looked at me, and he’s just like light. He said, ‘I just need you to know: When you married into this family, we rejoiced in the streets the same we did when Mandela was freed from prison."

In the middle of all the PW/PA/Fergie distractions on this thread, I'll leave this here as a reminder that someone using a royal title, from a mansion in California, actually has the temerity to say these words. I am not black, I am not South African but I am much older than Meghan and tried to do my (inadequate) bit against apartheid, like lots of others. We however knew who the real heroes were.

That was not my question, I just asked if you would trust William given that he has apparently lied?

You are trying to make this comparable when it really isn't but I admire you sticking with it.

Taking this particular Covid lie on its own and as a one-off then trust (lack of) wouldn't be an issue for me with either PW or MM. But that isn't what we have here.

Unfortunately, MM has a history of lying as well as some questionable motives and behaviour and wouldnt think twice about throwing you under the bus if you stepped out of line. I'd trust anyone else first before I went there.

You are using words like deplorable and horrifying about PW's lie but you just can't bring yourself to apply the same language to MM lies.

whataboutry is changing your principles for different people.

Yes it is.

Did a poster really register the name “covid lies” just for this thread?

I swear I don’t care about any of these people but am fascinated by this weird microcosm.

It's been a while since I commented on such threads.

For context, like many other people I was a big supporter of M initially.

I applauded her breaking silly protocols such as what nail varnish she wore, not wearing tights, walking herself down the aisle and especially her decision to give birth on her own terms and decide when and where she was prepared to allow herself and Archie to be photographed for the first time.

I understood there was a difference between anticipating the life of being a royal spouse and experiencing the reality of it and more so having done that, the courage to say, no, I am not going to spend the rest of my life this way.

H&M had the opportunity to do so much good and forge for themselves a wonderful lifestyle.

There was absolutely no need for them to do this in the way they have. They both seem to thrive on victimhood and a need to throw "truth" bombs and them complain when they get blooded by their own shrapnel.

They both seem unaware that that their continued grievances against the very institution that is the source of their global platform and their determination to continually monetise that, in the context of current financial instability for much of the worlds population is hugely arrogant and demonstrates a significant lack of self awareness.

If you want to be taken seriously and have gravitas in this world, then you need not only to be more than a one trick pony but also be able to demonstrate that you have a "voice" that's credible and worth listening to. Not one that is demonstrably caught out lying time and time again.

The Cut article and podcasts are a PR disaster for M.

The usual posters will of course defend them to the hilt and use whataboutary, but it makes not a shred of difference about how she and H are increasingly being perceived - out of touch, out of content, out of relevance and out of credibility.

Things could have been so different if they had sought a more amicable separation from the RF (at least publicly), but the pair of them seem to feed on negativity and a shared sense of injustice, whilst enjoying a lifestyle that most people cannot begin to aspire to. I can't fathom what could ever be "enough" for them.

I'm not much of a royalist but rather than eroding my feelings for the RF, the antics of H&M have made me more sympathetic and frankly grateful towards W&C especially.

*whataboutry is changing your principles for different people.

Yes it is*

No it isn’t. Whataboutary is bringing up the (rare) misdeeds of another person/category of people in an attempt to minimise or deflect blame from the person/category of people originally being discussed, to shift blame to the whatabouterer’s hated group and to attempt to close down valid argument.

e.g. Men assault women; “what about” that woman who made a false assault claim. Asylum-seekers need our help; “what about” that one who committed a crime.

You will never have a discussion on a slightly controversial topic in which someone doesn’t use it, unless you mix with exceptionally nice people.

Has there even been an official confirmation that PW had covid other than a palace leak? Whatever. Let's say he did have it, why should he tell anyone? Why should anyone be forced to reveal their medical status against their wishes? Say he got cancer, should he have to reveal that too? To me it's no different to MM making an announcement that she'd gone into labour when in fact she'd already given birth. It makes no difference to the lives of the general public and if that makes her feel comfortable, then that's her business.
I personally believe it will come out that someone said something to her about Mandela, maybe which she then embellished. However, I think she's ultra sensitive and lacks confidence, hence always grabbing for Harry's hand, even when he doesn't want her to. And so maybe she's learned to turn events into more than they are to self soothe and improve her self-esteem. And loads of actors gild the lily in interviews. It's one of those things you roll your eyes at and then forget about. I honestly don't think these misjudged stories are worth much more than an eye roll and a snigger.
Where I feel it crosses a line, is when her intent is to undermine or denigrate other people with her lies and exaggerations. In the case of the RF, she knows they can't fight back and so she's content to keep playing the victim over slights that seem more and more doubtful as her credibility gets strained.
As an aside, I see one of her future interviewees is Mindy Kaling whose parents are Indian. I wonder if there's a Gandhi anecdote in the pipeline? 🤔

@HeddaGarbled thanks, spot on. My 'Yes it is' response was misplaced. Whataboutery has nothing at all to do with principles and everything to do with diversion tactics and its a common theme on these RF threads. Usually it involves PA but tonight, for a bit of a change, we got PW and the novelty factor sucked me in, I usually try to ignore .

As an aside, I see one of her future interviewees is Mindy Kaling whose parents are Indian. I wonder if there's a Gandhi anecdote in the pipeline?

I hope, for MM sake, that if there is then it's 100% bonafide (and I do mean that genuinely) otherwise it's all really going to hit the fan.

There’s nothing passive aggressive about that comment re the engagement.

Yes. And how about, he said he didn’t have Covid because he didn’t actually have Covid.

I think Meghan is trolling the public and its brilliant... come on, who seriously would publicise a comment like the Mandela one. I think her strategy is that even bad press is good and sells podcasts.

The threats that she's not signed an NDA and that she write a diary etc... that's more of it. She's playing the villain that will generate more interest and make money for Netflix. Its probably a requirement that she mentions the Riyal family x number of times in each podcast, otherwise the wouldn't generate a lot of interest.

Totally agree with every word.

Me too

I've reported you for hounding her, get off her back.

The real issue here is that so many royalists seem new to the idea that KP let's say ' manipulate ' the public

Charles didn't lie about it so I don't know what people claiming 'privacy' are on about . The journalists repeatedly asked re William and were repeatedly told ' no' he didn't have it. Nothing to do with privacy

The royals cover up issues constantly , use injunctions, ban books , change bills secretly to suit themselves , accept bags of cash -where to start with it all.
You must know this.

Is it because Harry is an insider and can really show where the bodies are buried? You are trying to discredit them in advance of that ?
M and H will have so much more to come . They haven't said much at all yet .

I agree with much said here. Everyone welcomed MM as a breath of fresh air - charismatic, stylish, modern, as well as great love story and some healing for H. The opportunity for a woman of colour to take her place in this elite establish and do some good and have further reach to more marginalised and diverse communities globally. The RF it seems welcomed her and expedited her inclusion in family activities.

But soon it started to fall apart - mis matched expectations, culture clashes, etc. They could have slipped away quietly yet here we have years and years later the constant whinging, sniping, veiled threats which has eroded the original image and leaves you with the realisation that this is a brittle, bitter, vengeful and contemptuous, person who is also grandiose and deluded.

A bit like Trump slating the MSM for lies/spin/fakery about him and cutting them out to go direct via SM to control content - and it backfiring as this brittle, bitter, vengeful, contemptuous, grandiose and deluded person ironically just lifts the curtain on themselves.

The usual posters will of course defend them to the hilt and use whataboutary, but it makes not a shred of difference about how she and H are increasingly being perceived - out of touch, out of content, out of relevance and out of credibility.

And just because she is a POC, just because she experiences racism (which is deplorable), just because PA is a nonce (everyone deplores) or whatever whataboutery is thrown around to derail and distract doesn’t absolve her from scrutiny of her values and PITA behaviour.

All of this can be happening simultaneously and she is her own worst PR disaster eroding her own brand. Imagine saying something so “off” that triggered the Mandela family to speak out - and they would have had surplus money in the bank with that relationship given PH recent speech for them that you would have expected some wriggle room for a faux pas.

There are many issues with the royal family, Lying, thieving, manipulating etc. etc.
On the current face of it it would seem that MM would be a good fit (with the lies and manipulation just for clarification, she hasn't stolen anything etc.) , she could do all of this with those that have a practiced hand, be guided by some of the best and be protected by them.
Yet she seems to have been too short sighted to have seen this and decided to go it alone.

Think Kate was more put out by Meghan initially than has been recognised. Her response to reporters when asked about the news of H & M's engagement was almost, just barely, passive-aggressive when she said something like "William and I are thrilled: it's a special time for any couple". I took from that that she thought H & M were behaving as though theirs was the biggest engagement in the history of the world bla bla bla - otherwise she could have said "It's a special time for them".

I don't remember the actual comment but what the quote above made me think of was the M&S adverts:
"it's a special time for any couple" with the unspoken "but this isn't just any couple, this is a royal couple".

It didn't read to me as though she was implying the Harry & Meghan were overplaying it; more that she was trying to make it sound that the royals are just like everyone else (whether they are or not is a matter of debate) to make them more relatable.

Maybe you had to see the clip of her saying it to get the emphasis.

Of course, she might have meant "Thank heavens someone's been daft brave enough to take on Harry".
Or she just might have meant what she said.