Revenge - by Tom Bower

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As the other thread has filled up I wondered if anyone would like to discuss the book here. I’m listening to it on Audible now.

I am not convinced Charles has changed, he has just learned how to present a better public image. His pr is outstanding.
Andrew is also supposed to feel hard done by.
I think the extreme wealth breeds an extreme entitlement in all the members of the Royal Family.

Almost all the points made here are irrational to a strange degree. It is not possible for one person to be wholly right and bother wholly wrong. Real life is not a fairy tale.

I can believe they didn’t get on and Meghan hated it. I don’t like my in laws either. But I’ve got enough dignity not to slag them off all I’ve the shop and make unsubstantiated allegations.

I’ml leave this now because, as always, I cannot quite believe how much people have put her on a pedestal to be worshipped. None of them are angels but I feel most sorry for William and Kate who seem to have no recourse against things MM and PH have hinted about them. Out of everyone they seem the most limited by the behaviour of both sides of their family.

It isn't always leaked. There are numerous events attended, meetings held, fundraisers hosted that you will never have heard about. That work isn't in the public domain at all. And no-one attending 'leaks'. Some philanthropy isn't about the publicity.

No recourse?
Wasnt there evidence that most of the leaks were coming from their camp?

And wasn’t the Dimbleby interview done as part of the attempt at damage control after the Diana interview
He criticised the Queen and PP about how they parented him.

"Belittling"
"Bullying"
"Detached"
"Physically and emotionally distant"
"Harsh"
"Hectoring"

and more. I have no idea when it was, but I remember it was in black and white, and surprise surprise, it is very hard to find now. Removed obviously.

I know there are lots of fundraisers. We do not hear about them until another Charles financial scandal is alleged.

I’ml leave this now because, as always, I cannot quite believe how much people have put her on a pedestal to be worshipped

Why in god's name would anyone worship her? Just because we don't agree with the constant vitriol?
There is a middle ground you know

'recollections may vary' is as snarky as can be. I can even hear the smirk just from reading it.

They had 2 days to come up with this.

Yes. Why not just say... you're a liar than 'recollections may vary'.

And the one that does my head in is...

'never complain, never explain'

Well.... the whole lot of them are into their complaining, Prince Charles being very good at it.

Explaining we need more of.

Two jobs in Silicon Valley? Is he ever in the building? What does he do exactly?

No. There was gossip. That is not evidence.

I could literally make up anything about RF now and tell ten people. It doesn’t make it true.

Everyone misses the fact he's struggled for years because of the press intrusion. He was pulled from being in the Army because someone leaked it.
He's only ever wanted a family and to be able to have a private and public life. They also miss that he can now go for a walk without someone using a long lens and selling the pictures...and if they do sell a picture someone automatically says it was H and M that sold it...

It's ok to admit you were mistaken. That you didn't know about the private charity events so assumed incorrectly that they didn't happen.
Doubling down on your ignorance with inaccurate smears is beneath you. There's no shame in not knowing about private events but deliberate ignorance isn't going to enhance your life or whatever 'argument' you're trying to create here. You were ill-informed. If you choose to remain so, that's your decision.

Why don't you go on their website and look or contact them and ask?

You sound so so resentful he is doing something like a position or a job.

There is no private charity work that is not leaked.
And patronising people is not nice behaviour.
There are private fundraising events. We all know that does not go in the court circular as people like Charles keeps saying denying he solicits donations.
There are also meetings where some of the Royal Family lobby for their own benefit. They also do not appear in the court circular. For example lobbying to be exempt from the law allowing energy companies access on private land.

What he does in his job is between him and his employer.
I do not know why anyone would demand to know details of a private citizen's job employed in a private company.

@notanotheroneagain
Here is Thomas (Markle) confessing that he lied about everything.

No, he isn't. Honestly, nota, that is very unfair of you. What he was saying was that he was set up by people who wanted to disrupt the wedding, (maybe 'impact' would have been a better word?) not that that was what he wanted or his intention.
TBF, the whole thing could have been sorted if they'd just made physical contact with him. But really it's just more proof that the Markles are a bit of a dysfunctional family.

None of them are angels but I feel most sorry for William and Kate who seem to have no recourse against things MM and PH have hinted about them. Out of everyone they seem the most limited by the behaviour of both sides of their family.

Wouldn't worry about K&M if I were you, considering they gained the most out of anyone from the H&M smear.

twitter.com/ArchewellBaby/status/1439312973378596864

I'm not patronising you. I'm explaining how charities, PR and the RF interact. It's been the purpose of all my posts on this thread.
You were wrong but it seems you prefer to double down so you can post stuff about the RF members you don't like.
Anyway, now you have accurate information. You can continue to post incorrect information if you want. Obviously you feel it suits your 'arguments/opinions' better. Crack on! 😄

No one puts Meghan on a pedestal. Literally everyone on here including myself admits that she made mistakes and too controlling of her public image and too fond of the spotlight. 99% of posters on these threads are anti-Meghan and pro-Kate, pretty much all Meghan threads are started to bash her, it's those who hate her who follow her every movement, yet the tiny handful who object to the onslaught of hate and racism or try to call out lies get attacked and called worshippers and obsessed.

It's Kate who gets put on a pedestal, you can't even say you dislike her outfit without being told how spiteful and jealous you are and the thread being deleted.

William and Kate have huge control over the press and are manipulative and controlling in how they use social media. They threaten and censor the press all the time, and have the ear of any tabloid or right wing broadsheet in the UK. Their people leaked the story of the falling out at the bridesmaid fitting in a way that demonised Meghan. They clearly authorised Jason Knauf's many leaks and smears against Meghan. Where do you think all those endless "Poor wonderful Kate is so upset about nasty Meghan's behaviour" and "Isn't Kate the best thing since sliced bread and the savour of the monarchy" articles come from? All Meghan has to do is breathe and KP leaks a story about how unfair it is that perfect Kate is having her limelight stolen.

What were his intentions. Doesn't take a genius, the people want to disrupt the wedding, why be a part of all that ? Her father ?

The director of his documentary was on Jeremy Vine and had to admit they pay him around 16K a pop for his information.

H&M sent him txts grovelling to him to contact them, and he ghosted them. He was rolling in money at the time. But the press will use you and discard you - which is what he is presumably finding out right now as he is suing one of his media friends.

Isn't Kate the best thing since sliced bread and the savour of the monarchy"
I do think she's best thing since sliced bread and William is very lucky to have found her. 😀

This is the photo I have seen - you can seen the photographer in the reflection of the glasses holding up one of the silver reflective screens. Whether this is her photographer though or there for the charity generally who knows.

It is very wrong to say H&M made no contact with TM.
Yet another lie that's rolled out all the time on these threads.
I've read the texts they sent to him prior to the wedding, begging for him to answer, telling him they'd send out people to help him get to the wedding and no I won't link them, they're out there if anyone disbelieves

What are you trying to prove @WideFootedTreeHopper ?

That when she took the selfie she had good lighting ?