Revenge - by Tom Bower

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As the other thread has filled up I wondered if anyone would like to discuss the book here. I’m listening to it on Audible now.

I think that's very unfair. They behaved impeccably during that Jubilee trip. Just for once imagine that they knew this was all about the Queen and they know how much unpleasant headlines they generate, so they just kept out the way.
And that's what they wanted.

Even the worst of a couple of RRs praised them for their low profile. Sometimes puzzled you have to look at the other side of the coin, which is what I am pointing out....

If they were full on all over the Jubilee there would've been endless vitriolic criticism. Now they are being criticised for being low profile.
As always, can't win.

A collection of internet hate trolling ... wasn't my view on the book

Since I've only read the extracts I couldn't say, but to those for whom there's sadly no middle ground it must be - because for them there are only supporters or "haters"

Predictably, it's now being claimed that there's "proof" Bower's lied, when in fact there's no such thing. What we actually have is sources saying different things, which is nothing new and brings us right back to a position where we can't actually know

Nothing new there either ...

Sometimes puzzled you have to look at the other side of the coin

I'm honestly trying, Roussette, though I don't pretend to always get it right, and that's why I was at pains to say there could have been others they were meeting who we know nothing about

FWIW I do agree that some would have had a go even if H&M had stayed low profile at other events, but as long as neither turned them into a "look at me" opportunity I don't personally think that would have been reasonable.
I stand by my view, though, that it looked a bit odd for them not to appear at all

Everyone to their own puzzled! I think it was a good thing, it meant no one could complain they diverted attention on to themselves and in my book, that's a good thing.

I will say (and may be shot down by others on here!) after seeing some of the Jubilee and noting that they were really low key and not getting in the way of what the weekend was all about, I did think, before I came on MN and looked... at least no one can complain about their presence, we hardly saw them, and that was the right thing!
How wrong I was!

I don’t believe that if you were on a lie detector that you would truly believe that they were happy to be so low-profile. No balcony appearance, in the cheap seats at Westminster Abbey… And it’s not as if they have form for wanting to stay in the background

I have no idea, nor do you. But knowing the vile headlines they get, maybe they have just had enough of them and genuinely wanted it to be about the Queen.

However, I had my balloon burst thinking and hoping the 'dislikers' would welcome their low profile, and even, shock horror, say it was a good thing they did... silly me! Won't make that mistake again 🤣

genuinely wanted it to be about the Queen

Not very believable given that they went ahead with the O interview while PP was was on his deathbed.

I'd hazard a guess that he wanted the kudos of being at such a high profile event to try a different maintain relevance and a profile for his Netflix bosses but didn't want to do the awks social thing with all the family members whose privacy he'd breached in Oprah and Finding Freedom. Kind of their for the pics at the church do only.

'and genuinely wanted it to be about the Queen'

🤣🤣🤣

What's that to do with the Queen's Jubilee?

I knew my view would be rubbished, at least it's predictable you have done so!

When you loathe someone like some of you do, you wouldn't ever ever think of an alternative scenario. I rest my case m'lud

'Not very believable given that they went ahead with the O interview while PP was was on his deathbed.'

Yep. Harry thought about the Queen a lot when he did that.

They did keep a low profile, except for Meghan's obviously attempt to gather photographs by opening the window of their car. She'd obviously just received a message that their security risk had been lowered!

Shock horror, someone opened a car window!
I give up 🤣😂

It's not loathing but incredulity at how they seem to transgress even the most basic standards of universal decency over and over again. If a grandparent is on their deathbed, don't do a televised interview trashing their family.

I think that’s why Harry has gone out to Africa now alone. Also why they are publicising their charity ‘work’ in the U.K. Someone is advising them that they need to change tack now.

I feel totally cynical about their projects and announcements. Every thing they do regardless of the superficial ‘look’ is self aggrandisement for money.

To be fair Roussette, it is relevant. If they can be that callous to do the OW interview while PP was dying, then it doesn't take a giant leap to question the level of care they have for the Queen's feelings.

To be fair, I disagree. No point me answering in detail, but it is worth looking back at threads at the time and why it went out when it did.

FWIW I thought they should not have done the OW interview because of the repurcussions.

Who knew that PP was on his death bed ?
Even the queen was laughing and joking online at that time.

If she didn't know, neither would Harry, surely.

Of course they all knew.

They all knew , the Queen has had a lifetime of hiding her feelings . I suspect though that once the interview was recorded H&M had no control over when shown so there was nothing they could do

Of course they all knew

I don't know about "all", but the idea that the Queen wouldn't be kept informed about her own husband's state of health is inconceivable

And didn't Harry say she tells him things she feels she can't tell anyone else ...?

I would imagine most of them knew or strongly suspected. PC visited his Dad on 20/2 and was photographed looking very upset. The OW/H&M interview was 8/3. PP left hospital on 16/3 and died 9/4 - so 6 weeks from PC visit to his death. Whether H&M had any ability to change air date, who knows. Perhaps they really tried but OW was having none of it.

They all knew how ill PH was, but I doubt that PH and MM had any control over the airing date.

I think I read that the OW "interview" would have been postponed in the event of Prince Philip's actual death, so someone had control over it, just not sure whether that would have included H&M.
I suspect there was a lot of stuff going on behind the scenes regarding their (lack of) appearances at the Jubilee and I doubt details will come from the RF so it will be interesting to see what, if anything, the Sussexes have to say about it in due course. I think it was odd that they didn't attend the concert and parade and I can see why people suspect they might have returned home earlier than the original plan.