Revenge - by Tom Bower

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As the other thread has filled up I wondered if anyone would like to discuss the book here. I’m listening to it on Audible now.

Legally that is all she was entitled to as Andrew had very little money. Andrew basically gets funded by his mother the Queen.

Charles had a whole sit down interview 'trashing' HMQ. Hell, even Piper had her own US sit-down. Not a word.

The Royal do a lot of PR. Even worse, it's about putting others down.

The Cambridge are YouTubers................

Also, this PR stunt is tacky too...............

They have honestly sued hardly anybody (yes AP and won their case against MoS hurrah) but really... why say this? She won a privacy case, that is nothing to do with her 'behaviour' and being called out.

Yes to the case about Police protection, I think he should have it.
Something with Samantha Markle... the vile sister who changed her name from Samantha Grant to Markle the minute Meghan got together with Harry

But it is a lazy criticism to say 'they sue everyone who calls you out on your behaviour' and to be honest, I get fed up with seeing it on these threads.

And talking about ‘the media’ like Donald Trump makes people sound like swivel eyed loons. It’s not a mass- all the papers take a slightly different stance on topics and online is a law unto itself. There are pro and anti RF and MM sites. Talking about the whole thing like it is one great beast bent on their destruction is particularly silly.

And also really infantilising MM and PH. They are adults who are used to the spot light, have PR and media teams around them and access to some of the most powerful people in the world. This is hardly average Joe vs the mean machine.

How is their Oprah interview, podcast and book deal any different to what Samantha Markle has done? They are still selling stories about their families without their permission.

You do realise that most papers are owned by 5 people (who don't pay tax) I may add. They are very influential. Spreading whatever they want across all the papers. Everyone else then gets on the bandwagon once they realise they are missing out on all that money.

Very few papers stay out of it, mostly left learning.

So very much a Goliath / David situation.

You do realise that the Media is not just the papers, and not just the U.K. papers? So when you say ‘The Media’ what you mean is The Sun, The Times, The Independent, The Guardian, The Express, The Mail and the FT? That is a very narrow definition of Media.

And of those papers The Guardian, Independent and FT give mainly positive coverage. What you are essentially suggesting is that anything less than wall to wall adoration is bullying. That is not how life works.

Newspaper circulation is the lowest it has ever been. They don’t hold as much influence as they used to and they represent a tiny part of the World’s media.

PH has been quite foolish to engage with them in the first place. They are a dying medium.

Do you think that someone who changes their name by deed poll when their half sister who they haven't seen for 20 years meets royalty so that they can cash in, is the same?
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We haven't seen a podcast on anything yet. Nor a book. You seem to know what's in it before it's been published.

How is their Oprah interview, podcast and book deal any different to what Samantha Markle has done? They are still selling stories about their families without their permission

How do you compare Samantha and Thomas on this.

No one cares what Sam and Thom have to say about anything. They did not have any exit that was blasted as scandalous. Nothing that they say is important about anything for the country. Nor is any of it true. Just a pair of scroungers looking to make money. They chose the media to pay them, but did not realise that money would dry up so soon - should have just asked H&M to give them a stipend instead.

Here is Thomas confessing that he lied about everything.

twitter.com/kaztle11/status/1554797814974238721

My point is that it is deeply tacky to sell stories about other people and to write tell all books. I find Samantha, Thomas, Meghan and Harry to all be deeply tacky, immoral people with no dignity.

I feel the same way about Kim K, Rebekah Vardy and anyone else who feels the needs to tell ‘their truth’ in an interview. It is never anything but completely selfish and self serving behaviour. Everyone has been wronged by someone in their life. The adult thing to do is let it go and move in with your life, not keep it constantly brewing with sly accusations and drip feeding details. It is juvenile.

Fairness is expecting the same standard of behaviour from people no matter who they are.

And Harry appeared on a mental health podcast where he slated his parents and grandparents for their terrible parenting skills.

I can related- my mother is a difficult person. But I love her enough not to go on an open media show and embarrass her by talking about it.

Then you feel the same way about Charles ?

Did he sell stories about his family for money?

MM has a great work ethic, Tom Bower says so in the book and her actions have always shown a hard worker

But she can’t leverage the RF to make the big bucks in sponsorship , she’s a hardworking actress but not a great one and parts dry up massively for those over 40 without huge talent or connections (think Lesley Mann) , she doesn’t have the background for a v wealthy philanthropist to give them mega millions.

Harry is engaging but needs a large team to harness his ‘star power’ and keep him on track. I’d say he’d rather play polo, apart from a few charities close to his heart.

I think they’re struggling to find their niche. They don’t have the money to live their current lifestyle indefinitely.

Tom Bower has Harry thinks MM is amazing and reminds him of his mum, he probably knows she’s a lot smarter than him so will do as he’s told.

it will be interesting to see what happens.

And Harry appeared on a mental health podcast where he slated his parents and grandparents for their terrible parenting skills

No different to Charles who did exactly the same about his parents with Dimbleby interviewing him.

He's just as bad.
www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/books/3583598/His-fist-banged-on-the-table-Nobody-but-me-can-possibly-understand-how-perfectly-bloody-it-is-to-be-Prince-of-Wales.html
A very interesting article by Max Hastings

Yes everyone seems to forget that Charles publicly slated his parents and said their parenting was very poor.
Maybe it is true? Poor parenting is often handed down generationally unless a parent makes a conscious effort to seek resources to improve their parenting.

That is an article about Prince Charles. Not an interview. Not sure what you are trying to prove.

And wasn’t the Dimbleby interview done as part of the attempt at damage control after the Diana interview. Was he paid for it? Still pretty tacky but doesn’t exonerate the Sussexes. Bombshell interviews are always self serving because you can make accusations that your victim can’t respond to straightaway.

The only ones who sold anything were Thomas and Sam.

H&M were talking during MH month. No one was paid anything.

Bombshell interviews are always self serving because you can make accusations that your victim can’t respond to straightaway.

Oh, but they did respond by first paddling the MM is a bully story. Then they gaslighted people of colour by saying "recollections may vary' to accusations of racism.

There are many ways to be paid: cash, exposure and favourable coverage. Did they get paid for Oprah? Did he get an advance for his book? What about his James Cordon appearance?

How is ‘recollections may vary’ anything to do with her race? You are grasping at straws. It seemed to be a polite way of saying ‘that’s not how we see it.’

And reminding people that there are two sides to every story. Because there always is.

Hastings was explaining how Charles was full of self pity which is quite ridiculous when you consider the awful lives some people have. Harry seems to have inherited this trait. He is also consumed with self pity and anger. Charles has matured greatly since that time. Let's hope Harry does the same.

The Royal Family with their recollections may vary were saying Harry and Meghan were liars and there was no racism.

Anyway, back to the book, whatever you think of the people involved it does have a lot of detail and quotes from real people, and I’m finding it an entertaining listen. Because let’s face it, that’s all any of this is really, it’s light (very light to the point of vacuous) entertainment. The Sussexes are clearly up for that by virtue of their self-promotion/Netflix/Spotify/book deals, so break out the popcorn and enjoy the show. I think the next 5 years will be very revealing and even more interesting than the last. Will they make it as content producers, philanthropists, activists and Silicon Valley executives? There’s a lot to deliver on but MM is driven and works hard (the book speaks highly of her work ethic) so they may well surprise everyone. They have committed themselves to deliver a lot in a short space of time. But then they have bills to pay, like the rest of us.I just hope they avoid preaching to us ordinary folk about the environment and how awfully hard their lives are, because that is when they lose support.