Omid has a new book coming out .

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What new vitriol will he write ?

Diana already thought she was being bugged and spied on. And I think that had some truth for all the Royal Family at that time. Remember the video released of her in the gym that seemed as if it came from CCTV? Or Tampongate where a private phone conversation between Charles and Camilla appeared in the press?

@aj William DID not speak in Diana's defence. He was pretty damning of her when he dismissed what she said as due to mental health issues.

ajandjjmum it's absolutely disgusting that you attack other posters by saying that we are unintelligent and not decent, just because we hold an opinion that is different from you.

It's such a shame that royal fans are so intolerant and bigoted towards free speech, and that they think it's acceptable to make personally abusive comments to try to silence any opinion other than their own.

Yes, Diana was very clearly being spied on. It's a fact that private phone calls and private conversations were recorded and leaked. She was living in the palace when the RF was determined to control her and paint her as unstable, of course she was being spied on. It still happens today, with William's right hand man planted in the Sussex household to spy on them and leak horrible stories to the media. Only someone very, very naive thinks that everyone in royal households (with so many "little grey men" everywhere and so many agendas) is trustworthy.

William's comments calling his other mother paranoid are despicable. He should be ashamed. Trying to ban his mother's own words from being repeated is literally the definition of silencing her.

@JemimaPuddlegoose

I think comments on both sides can get rather heated and can distract from the bones of the discussion.

it is an interesting debate. William felt she was manipulated into the interview and it should go. Others feel she wanted to say it. The poor woman isn’t able to answer the argument herself so it rumbles on.

William's comments calling his other mother paranoid are despicable. He should be ashamed. Trying to ban his mother's own words from being repeated is literally the definition of silencing her

What if he perceives Diana's words as an unwelcome invasion of his privacy. He has a right to his feelings too. His feelings or her feelings? Which side has more right to their perspective?

They're two completely different things. A private individual put the camera in the gym. And a private han operator picked yo the phone calls by both Charles and Diana.
Bashir told her that she was being bugged in her own home by charles and the Palace. And there was no truth in that whatsoever. She already worried about it but friends could temper her fear. Once Bashir had her trust, he fed her all sorts of lies which she wanted to believe because they were things she was scared about.

From the Guardian...
William and Harry condemned the BBC for its treatment of their mother, saying the interview fuelled her “fear, paranoia and isolation” and a wider “culture of exploitation and unethical practices ultimately took her life”.

She died believing the lies Bashir fed her. They changed how she approached her life and ate away at her feeling of security. She declined royal protection officers who might have saved her life. I don't see how William or Harry are in the wrong to not want have shown the exact point of her life when her mental health went into a downward spiral. They have always spoken very lovingly about their mother but they lived those years with her and she confided in William a lot. He will have seen first hand the harm it did.

I'm pretty sure that after being heavily criticised by the Dyson Report, the BBC have said they will neither show the interview again nor license it to be shown by any other broadcasters.

Yes, Diana was very clearly being spied on. It's a fact that private phone calls and private conversations were recorded and leaked.

No, that's not true. Private ham operators picked up the phone calls by both Diana and Charles.

I know the official explanation was private ham operators. But even at the time I read technical articles about why that was incredibly unlikely.

Mental health issues are real. They're not something to be ashamed of. He didn't dismiss what she said but he had discussions with her about doing the interview so he knows what was in her mind. Both he and Harry have said the lies that Bashir told her fuelled her fears and feelings of paranoia that then went on to dominate her life and influenced choices she made. Why would he want either Bashir or the BBC to profit from that? Why would he want that to be shown on TV when it was based on lies.
William has never been damning if his mother but he was damning of people who exploited and took advantage of her.

Diana is the one who did the interview.

Diana is the one who consented to do the interview.

Diana is the one who wanted to do the interview.

Nobody else gets a look in.

The argument that men should be allowed to silence a woman from speaking about her own personal experiences and feelings is shockingly misogynistic. Denying his own poor mother a voice is shameful.

There is a difference between saying someone has mental health issues. And saying that what someone said is not true because of mental health issues.
Back in Diana's time there were lots of stories in the press that the Royal Family thought Diana was crazy, with examples given of her throwing herself down the stairs.

Diana had bulimia, she has said this. But she was not psychotic. She meant what she said.

Those ham operators,appeared in the newspapers. They approached the newspapers themselves. What did the Palace gain from spying on Prince Charles as the heir to the throne? Why would they want yo try and undermine him and bring him down?

I did not say it was the Palace.
Those conversations created a lot of money for the media.

When Diana write her book, she had mental health issues but William has never said it was full of lies. He's not and never has been denying her experiences. What he's said was that she already suffered from paranoia and being told things like Charles had bugged Williams watch or that the security forces were paying Charles Spencer's estate manager to spy on them all, fuelled that paranoia. I agree that she believed and meant it when she said Charles was bugging her or Tiggy aborted Charles baby, but the fact that neither of those things are true are a testament to both the manipulation worked on her by Bashir and her mental health issues.

You seriously think that anything William or Harry say is to the detriment of their love for their mother?

They adored her, and their comments after the report proving that she was lied to by Bashir (or as Earl Spencer said, groomed), were not an attempt to silence her, but to support her. She was lied to and made decisions on that basis, that had she known the truth, her decisions may have been different.

'Denying his mother a voice'? Absolute tosh.

But Diana was manipulated into giving the interview. She consented because of the lies she was fed. She didn't approach anyone over doing an interview. Bashir didn't even approach her directly because of the inevitable refusal. He softened the ground by going to Charles,Spencer first. If it hadn't been for that, she'd never had done an interview with Bashir. He was a liar and a manipulator. Why would either William or Harry want him and the BBC to profit from his lies?

Diana isn't shut down. Go read her book.

She said lots of things that I see people dismissing as due to her mental health. For example that Charles and Camilla had been having an affair from the very early days of Diana and Charles marriage.

And the things you say Diana believed about Tiggy and an abortion, she never said to the public as far as I know. The media claims she believed it.

I go by what Diana actually said.
And there is evidence Diana was bugged.

www.standard.co.uk/hp/front/diana-told-without-any-doubt-that-she-was-being-bugged-by-a-fivestrong-surveillance-team-6645092.html

www.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-diana/diana-inquest-told-palace-swept-for-bugs-idUKL1284715120080213

William is literally demanding that his mother's voice never be broadcast and be permanently silenced.

You can scream meaningless words like "TOSH" all you want. It's a fact. How on earth is trying to ban someone's own words anything other than silencing them?

William does what the Firm wants, and the Firm's agenda is that the Monarch and Heirs come first and anyone who challenges them is destroyed. The Firm tried to destroy Diana because she wouldn't tolerate being cheated on an gaslighted. Charles was happy to see the mother of his children smeared in the press. The only reason any of this is coming up is because the Queen is coming to the end of her life and the Firm is shit scared that the public won't accept King Charles and are doing everything they can to aggressively attack and censor anything that might damage Charles' image.

Diana was an intelligent woman who knew her own mind, her actions in collaborating with Andrew Morton showed how savvy she was. Painting her as a simple-minded child who couldn't possibly have wanted to do an interview by herself and made decisions solely based on what others told her denies her all agency. There's no evidence Diana believed Bashir's lies or that those lies were a factor much less the sole factor in doing the interview. It's disrespectful to Diana and very misogynistic.

I also find it manipulative that certain posters (who are well known for hating Harry and taking any opportunity to bash him) keep shoehorning Harry's name in, I wonder what their agenda is?

She said lots of things that I see people dismissing as due to her mental health. For example that Charles and Camilla had been having an affair from the very early days of Diana and Charles marriage.

This interview was in 1995. She'd already published a book in 1992 detailing all that. It had been in the papers for years. No one was in doubt that Charles had Camilla had been having a longterm affair. We still don't know when it started, though.

And the things you say Diana believed about Tiggy and an abortion, she never said to the public as far as I know. The media claims she believed it.

She said it to friends. She even said that Charles was planning to have her and Camilla murdered so that he could marry Tiggy. She commented on it at a Christmas party in front of guests. Tiggy cried and left the room.
She always hated Tiggy, that's why Bashirs lies were so believable to her.

I go by what Diana actually said. And there is evidence Diana was bugged.
There is no evidence that her rooms were bugged!
I've read those two articles.
One said that she had her rooms bug-swept regularly.
The other said that the guy who eas doing the sweeping heard a blip on his machine when he was searching but he never found a bug and he can't be sure it wasn't something else or his machine.

Do you share the same opinion about Earl Spencer ? After all he has fought for years to hold Bashir and the BBC to account . Or is it only William you are criticising ?
I have no idea what you mean about gaslighting in this context !

I was never a fan of Earl Spencer.
I simply want women to be able to speak. There should be no suppression of Dianas voice.
We all know it is being suppressed to protect the Royal Family.
In the same way they tried to suppress the Crown and got told to no way.

William is literally demanding that his mother's voice never be broadcast and be permanently silenced.

No, he's not! Diana made tapes for her book and those have been played and listened yo. As far as I know, he's never asked for them to be banned. They tell her story as well. On fact there are all sorts of recordings out there of her.

Diana was an intelligent woman who knew her own mind, her actions in collaborating with Andrew Morton showed how savvy she was.

But that's not how paranoia works. Anyone, no matter how high or little intelligence they have can be paranoid. Bashir told her lies that tallied with what she believed so she wanted the evidence to be true. Its nothing to do with intelligence. None of us make rational decisions when we're anxious about things and that's the same with Diana.

There's no evidence Diana believed Bashir's lies or that those lies were a factor much less the sole factor in doing the interview. It's disrespectful to Diana and very misogynistic.

We know from her family, the people who loved her, that she she believed the lies. I don't think you'd ever say that William or Charles Spencer didn't love her, so why would they lie about that?
In fact, she told William to get rid of his watch because Bashir told her it was bugged.

It's neither disrespectful nor misogynistic for a son to try and protect his mother.

I also find it manipulative that certain posters (who are well known for hating Harry and taking any opportunity to bash him) keep shoehorning Harry's name in, I wonder what their agenda is?

I know you're not talking about me but I want to be clear, I don't hate Harry. I've supported him in many of his actions and I've said that it's clear that he loves Meghan. I've said his name because this issue isn't about William alone. It was started by Charles Spencer. It was he who exposed the lies and brought it to the public attention. Twice. It's his detailed contemporaneous notes that tell us exactly what happened and show why he knew it was a pack of lies. William knew more about it all because he was older than Harry and it was he who Diana confided in. So it was he who saw more clearly the impact. But I mention Harry because he too has issued statements about this, condemning the lies she was told and the media manipulation and exploitation. It's not just one person in her family speaking against it.

Paranoid is a mental health diagnosis. There si zero evidence that Diana had paranoia.
There is evidence she was mistrustful and suspicious.
Using the word paranoid is an attempt to paint her as far more mentally ill than she was. She did have bulimia, that is the mental health problem she had.

Anyone in her position would be mistrustful and suspicious of people. She was treated appallingly by the media and the Royal Family.