Camilla not the Royal Harry said made racist comments

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After the revelation that Camilla allegedly said it would be funny if Harry and Meghan's baby had a "ginger afro", one "highly placed source told Page Six: “Camilla is not racist — I can tell you categorically she is not the royal who Harry and Meghan were talking about.”"

pagesix.com/2022/07/22/camilla-parker-bowles-is-not-the-racist-royal-insiders-say/

If true this is worse. It would mean that Camilla says racist jokes, but that another member of the Royal Family had said more damning racist remarks.

Not sure why you think slavery was illegal in the Netherlands in 1652. In principle slavery was not officially acknowledged, but in practice it allowed slaves from all over the world. It was a trading nation whose involvement in the Atlantic slave trade contributed to its growth as a major economic power. There were also Dutch islands in the Caribbean.

The Netherlands banned the transatlantic slave trade in 1814 under pressure from the British, but it didn’t fully abolish slavery until 1863.

When you become so overinvested that you look unhinged it's probably time to back off, OP.

Yes the fence just happened to exist with black kids on one side and the British king to be on the other.

Couldn’t invite them round onto the pitch, or walk round the other side of the fence to greet then properly.

Doesn’t sound unhinged to me.

Why so many posts demanding she backs off? It’s almost as if the discussion unsettles some posters…

Huh? You have to be thick to pick a painting composed of things that you like that you like that fits the colour scheme of the room? Is she supposed to pick a painting that doesn't go with the room, composed of something she doesn't like because she studied art history and I'm not really sure?
None of this is as deep as you are making it out to be. Went to say hi to black kids, racist, they should have snubbed them for optics which would then of course have been seen as racist. Picks a painting with a black kid in it, racist. Only has pictures of old white men on the wall, racist. You can twist anything if you try and Jesus you are trying for days now! Good luck with your mission!

And Catherine just happened to physically recoil from Jamaica’s Minister of Culture, Gender, Entertainment & Sport, Olivia Grange, on Tuesday. The Jamaican official is seen trying to gently reach for the royal’s hand to guide her over to speak with her. The Duchess of Cambridge keeps stepping further and further back.

Although normally the fence would divide black football players from black spectators. No doubt that's wrong too.

Some people spend time just looking for offence when none is intended.

It’s not normal circumstances though is it, it’s a photo op with the British royal family splashed all over the world.

And frankly if footballers were to do a photo op would they do it through the fence? Probably not. Raheem walked round to find a gap.

Went to say hi to black kids, racist, they should have snubbed them for optics which would then of course have been seen as racist

No of course not. It should've been thought through.

It was ridiculously awful. I blame the advisers and W&C to be honest. It should not have happened, and why no one could see that it was going to look absolutely dreadful in the press, I do not know. Ditto the landrover and the two of them all dressed in white, from a bygone era. I think the RF are so archaic and entrenched in the past century, they just Do Not Get It.

Times have changed. We have social media now. The public can criticise at what they think looks awful. And they do. Quite rightly.

Companies, Societies, Golf Clubs, Social Clubs, whatever you like to name... have had to change. It's about time the RF did.

Yes the fence just happened to exist with black kids on one side and the British king to be on the other.

Couldn’t invite them round onto the pitch, or walk round the other side of the fence to greet then properly.

Like this, you mean? What a shame they didn’t do that…oh, wait, they did.

The people complaining about this photo don't care if the actual experience was positive for the actual children involved. They do not care about reality of the entirety of the event itself. They only care one particular photo. And if it were people that they like in the photo, they would be falling over themselves to say it was wonderful and that any criticism is unfair.

Critical thinking indeed!

Not sure why you think slavery was illegal in the Netherlands in 1652

This report of a law case from that time period essentially, which stated the law as it then applied:

“Even so, slavery was not accepted in the Low Countries by the 16th century, regardless of religion, and slaves who entered the territories of the current Netherlands – or Belgium – became free immediately. The Great Council of Mechelen expressly decided so in a case which is reported by the Leuven professor Petrus Gudelinus (Pierre Goudelin, 1550-1619). In book 1, chapter 4 of his Commentariorum de iure novissimo libri sex (posthumously published in 1620) he describes the case of a Spanish merchant (an institor) whose slave ran away, while they were on business in the Low Countries. The owner of the fugitive slave requested the Council of Mechelen to order its magistrates to arrest the slave and return him to his rightful owner. This request was not granted, because slavery (servitus personarum) was not recognized as a lawful institution in the Low Countries. According to Gudelinus the slave immediately became free de iure, even against the will of the owner (invito domino), when he entered a territory where slavery was not accepted”

Why??

What's wrong with ginger hair?
What's wrong with Afro hair?

Of course, it’s all in the delivery (and none of use were there).

The picture is more difficult, but the Obamas have their own voices and are able to use them.

Looks like OP is making things up now.

Sad.

No she isn't. They might've shaken hands with some kids as in the pic, but their outstretched arms through a chain link fence and W&C touching them is what will be remembered.. The footage is out there. So what if they did both?
The tour was defined by that. And the open top Land Rover.

Even so, slavery was not accepted in the Low Countries by the 16th century, regardless of religion, and slaves who entered the territories of the current Netherlands – or Belgium – became free immediately.

There’s the Dutch Republic (formed after the Revolt of the Netherlands) and there’s the Low Countries which also included Belgium and Luxembourg.

As I said, in principle enslavement was not accepted in these areas, but in practice owners (generally merchants/plantation owners) were allowed to bring their slaves from all over the world.

It’s not actually true that slaves who managed to get to the Low Countries were freed. There were cases of slaves who tried to escape from their owners but were handed back as they were deemed to be the property of the owners or deemed necessary to the running of the colonies. In fact there is an example of such a case on the legal blog you quote.

And country/ies profited substantially from the transatlantic slave trade. The Dutch Republic held around (I think) 5% of the market and traded somewhere between 500k- 1 million slaves in total.

And all of this gets us to the fact that you have to make a guess at whether the child in the picture is a slave, or a servant, IrisVersicolor - no-one can no for sure.

That’s not the pitch, it’s crowds in the street.

So true lol....it's utterly exhausting.

Except it is one painting and the first time we have seen inside their private apartments since the Cambridges have been there.

Where it gets us is a painful attempt to deny slavery in Early Modern Europe - from what motives?

I don’t have to make any such guesses. He is far more likely to be a slave or a child of a slave than not. In the very rare and unlikely circumstance that his parents were slaves who managed to free themselves, he is still a product of slavery. It’s possible that, like Sara Forbes Bonetta, he was gifted to a rich white family - a practice we would now call kidnap or trafficking. If he jumped on a boat in the Dutch colonies himself and made his way to Europe - what would he be running away from? That would be slavery. There are virtually no benign narratives to explain his presence in Europe.

So where do we go next with this information?

So therefore not worthy of being the subject of a painting?

So if you had a tour and could see all it would be ok?

I was alluding to the fact that the information seemed to have come full circle. If I considered the subject unworthy, I would not be following this thread.