Camilla not the Royal Harry said made racist comments

[antelopevalley]

After the revelation that Camilla allegedly said it would be funny if Harry and Meghan's baby had a "ginger afro", one "highly placed source told Page Six: “Camilla is not racist — I can tell you categorically she is not the royal who Harry and Meghan were talking about.”"

pagesix.com/2022/07/22/camilla-parker-bowles-is-not-the-racist-royal-insiders-say/

If true this is worse. It would mean that Camilla says racist jokes, but that another member of the Royal Family had said more damning racist remarks.

I'm white, with lots of ginger ancestors. My ex was mixed race with mostly African ancestry, with one white, ginger grandparent and three very dark skinned grandparents.

We used to giggle over how cute our (imaginary) children would be if they had brown skin and freckles and a big ginger afro.

I was really surprised to read in the press that this would be considered a racist comment. To a stranger, sure. But when discussing the possible appearance of a new close relative, with other close family? I still don't understand the problem.

Happy to read if someone explains it.

@FriedasCarLoad you and your then partner were talking about how cute your kids would be. Camilla was making a joke about how hilarious it would be, not about being cute, but laughing at how it would look. It is very different.

I thought it was Charles who'd made the comment?

Why hide the word neg-o during the Obamas visit if they are ok with it? I don’t think anyone is ok with the word Negro, but the painting is quite old 1660s , no idea if the title can be changed,

there is nothing wrong with the painting as it is , and unless more research is made about the page ,we can’t say he’s a slave, as there were paid Africans servants , mostly moorish , in Europe at that time.
yes Africans we’re greatly ignored in Paintings, but they do provide some information on the lives of Africans at that time,

How do you know what she said @antelopevalley? were you there?

@queenofarles No one is complaining about the existence of a painting.
What they are questioning is the Cambridges choice to hang this painting in their living room. There is a vast art collection that the Cambridges can choose from. They decided to have this particular painting with the title clearly visible.
At a minimum, that implies a lack of understanding of racism and how things will be viewed. The same lack of judgement was shown during their Caribbean tour. Although in the tour you actually had Catherine visibly shrinking away from a black woman.
My personal view is that there is clear evidence they very much are a racist family. That may not be unusual within their social circle though and they may not see themselves as racist. There are plenty of people who think that racism is only stating the most extreme statements or where there is extreme discrimination.
But I think this is going to present an increasingly public relations challenge to them. People excused Philip and would have excused the Queen because they are very old. There will not be the same excusing of the next generations of the Royal Family. Charles isn't too bad at all this, he is more tuned in to what could be considered offensive than the others. But as others take a more prominent role, this may be an increasing issue.
The Royal Family have to win support from young people, and young people in general are very unforgiving of racism and much more likely to recognise racism.

@toomuchlaundry You do know we all only "know" what we see in the media? All those people declaring Camilla would be great fun to have a drink with have no idea if that is true either. She may be great fun, or she may be bad-tempered and complain constantly. We all only know what the media tell us. And if we ignore everything the media tell us then this Royal Family section would not exist.

No ones is saying this isn’t racist but it’s not confirmed.

I can’t imagine that Barack and Michele Obama, who were happy to talk about how they were living in the White House that was built by slaves, would have been particularly bothered by a 400 year old painting (that actually reflects a picture of ethnic diversity in Europe at that time which plenty of people these days like to disparage). Or its title. There are plenty of works of art - plays, books, paintings etc - that use terms and titles that we would not chose today.

It’s clearly a useful stick to use to poke an audience looking for ways to be critical, yes. But is it anything more than that? Obviously, people can make up their own minds.

I don't usually join in on threads like these but I have to admit that while they think it is a really good idea to shove Camilla down our throats on the TV every now and then as a PR exercise for the forthcoming events that will happen... they should also be equally prepared to accept that people will question certain aspects of their actions/behaviour which are at times questionable to say the very least

@Serenster Nice of you to say what the Obamas would and would not be bothered about.
The Obamas are intelligent people, I am sure they understand exactly where the Cambridges are coming from.

The Obamas are intelligent people, I am sure they understand exactly where the Cambridges are coming from.

On that, I completely agree.

Antelope

Do you not consider the Obamas to be educated and intelligent enough to be able to contextualise the visit and all it entails? Should Obama have also been prevented from visiting The Globe Theatre just in case he saw something that he needed protecting from happening on stage?

You're obsessed OP. Why?

The Obamas will know the Cambridges chose that painting from an extensive art collection.
How you can compare that to a made-up scenario of a potentially offensive play, I do not know.

This.
OP you really need to find a hobby or get out more.

So you are saying that all art works with depictions of people of colour in them are racist?

You need to find yourself another hobby antelope - you're determined to find fault and even think you know what the Obamas would know. It's very sad really.

I really don’t understand your point other than saying look , they choose a painting with a black person , they must be really racist ,
I really recommend that you do some research and read a few books about the Dutch golden age , it’s quite fascinating and something I’ve been very interested in for many years .
slavery was prohibited in Europe at that time but sadly practised freely elsewhere in Americas and East Indies ,
but no one knows if these Africans were enslaved then freed when they reached Europe, very little is mentioned about how they reached Europe in the first place, so these painting and what very little documentation they provide , are our only source.

some wore quite expensive clothing Made of velvet and silk a contrast to ordinary servants so perhaps they were higher in rank.

I would have assumed what Camilla meant was that it’s unusual to see a ginger Afro so funny as in unusual/interesting rather than side-splitting. I don’t tend to assume the worst of people. If anything it could sound a bit anti-ginger, but I don’t hear the racism. Surely there’s more important battles to fight on the racism front than what someone said about an unborn child’s hair in a private remark?

Do you understand the concept of lies e.g. the book's author, also Omid Scoobie, also Meghan, also Harry, also Kate and William, also Camilla can lie? You are taking these statements as ginger afro and discussing a baby's skin colour as absolute fact and gospel. It's a fucking rumour mill, not something you can substantiate a the racist plot on! CPS would not be arsed with that ''proof''

So in summary:
I don't see racism?
More important battles to fight on racism (so ignore this example)
And a load of insults that boil down to why are you wasting your time posting on Mumsnet.

Ok whatever but I HOPE you give Meghan the same benefit of the doubt, otherwise...

No, it is actually racism and definitely not ok. Why do you think racism is ok, is it the sort of thing you'd say about a relatives baby, mocking and laughing at their appearance?