Camilla not the Royal Harry said made racist comments

[antelopevalley]

After the revelation that Camilla allegedly said it would be funny if Harry and Meghan's baby had a "ginger afro", one "highly placed source told Page Six: “Camilla is not racist — I can tell you categorically she is not the royal who Harry and Meghan were talking about.”"

pagesix.com/2022/07/22/camilla-parker-bowles-is-not-the-racist-royal-insiders-say/

If true this is worse. It would mean that Camilla says racist jokes, but that another member of the Royal Family had said more damning racist remarks.

It’s also so incredibly reductive to say depiction of “an African child in service” = racist.

Where has that been said?

Colonialism and slavery should be part of the curriculum you don’t need pictures to justify or trigger discussion.

Were the Cambridges hoping to spark just such a discussion with the Obamas?

It's about time that younger people understood what racism actually means before squawking the word hysterically at every imagined slight. All cultural differences should be respected regardless of colour, creed or nationality. Inverse racism and baseless accusations spat at people is not the way to educate nor encourage multicultural harmony.

@pantherrose what do you think racism actually means?

To be fair it’s a letter to the Guardian rather than an article in their name.

Interestingly, if you look at the Royal Collection Trust’s entry for the painting, it is titled “A Page with Two Horses” and in the reference notes at the bottom of the entry it records “The Negro Page [historic title]”.

So the painting has been officially retitled to remove the offensive word. What we don’t know if whether the title plate on the painting has similarly been updated, and if so, whether it had already been updated at the time of the Obama’s visit - or even removed (as others have pointed out, you can’t see the title in the pictures taken of the visit).

www.rct.uk/collection/search#/31/collection/405319/a-page-with-two-horses

I’m not sure renaming it is quite the point… but hey ho a plant pot may have sufficed at the time.

I hadn't realised and that makes sense. I found the same text almost word for word on a small blog. So I assume the same person. Hardly a trustworthy source.

It's about time that younger people understood what racism actually means before squawking the word hysterically at every imagined slight.

Please do tell, what does racism mean? And accusations against your precious royal family (PRF) are 'squawking hysterically'?

That is a question which my J

@Serenster I thought you did not think there was any issue with the title?
And that the painting was fine as well?

Try again... That is a question that I'm sure my Jewish ancestors would have v

Reading the press coverage of the visit, they all seem to agree that the title was removed before the Obamas arrived, and the pot plant deployed to hide the damage to the frame that this entailed.

Which would make some posters happy, since the main concern was apparently that it was inappropriate for a painting with a title that has a racial slur to be displayed. I am sure they will be pleased to know that it wasn’t, and the painting has indeed been re-titled in the collection’s records.

Other posters however remain unhappy as they view the scene depicted in the painting as racist full stop.

Since there’s clearly no consensus on here whether the painting itself is the problem, or it’s title, or both/neither, I don’t think anyone could claim that this is an issue that is clear cut 😄

@pantherrose It does not matter what your ancestors thought. You said young people do not understand what racism actually is. So I am asking you, what is racism then?

My head hurts

The issue for me is... why the hell would a young (ish) couple want it on their wall.
If they can pick and choose from wonderful art collections with 7,500 works ... why would they decide to choose this?
Very odd to me. There's no accounting for taste.

Antelopevalley. How do you know what Camilla meant or thought or intended?

Kate would also get flamed for having paintings of solely Caucasian people. Ya can't win

I agree. Catherine has a degree in art history as well. It is not as if she has zero interest or knowledge about paintings.

No she wouldn't.

It wouldn't even register.

7.500 works and there's nothing suitable?

The picture of them sat on the sofas with it behind... it is very very prominent because it is a v large painting

Again, who has said the painting is of itself racist?

The comment has been that it was unwise, indeed insensitive, to display a depiction of an enslaved child servant to greet the Obamas.

I do agree here. It is an odd choice.

I'm black Caribbean and I think hiding historical artifacts depicting slavery and human abuses is wrong. We shouldn't shy away from it, lest we forget and all that. I personally found W and C greeting black children behind a fence in this day and age more disturbing than a 400 year old painting.

Sorry, crappy old phone playing up. The fate of my Jewish ancestors defined racism - the belief that race is a determinant of human traits and capacities and that those inherited attributes define the superiority of one race over another.
Racism has been the cause of not just the Holocaust, but genocides in Armenia and Serbia. I believe that by crying racism over the kind of comment attributed ( without proof) to Camilla is actually perpetuating division by getting tied in knots over semantics rather than fostering mutual respect, equal opportunities and cultural appreciation.
For the record, I do not believe that the Royal Family are inherently racist, I do believe that Harry was the exception and has now jumped on the bandwagon since meeting his wife, who seems to identify as black when it suits her and white when it doesn't. Michelle Obama is one sharp cookie who seems to have the measure of her.

Wow!!

I don’t think anyone is advocating hiding depictions of slavery - I agree they’re important historical documents. The painting itself depicts historical reality at the time. Indeed I’m interested in depictions of poc within Europe historically.

But there’s a difference between preserving them and displaying them on a state visit.

It’s all of a piece with the cringe colonial tour of the Caribbean and the shameful pictures of greeting kids behind the fence.