Tom Bower's book on Meghan Markle

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It's out next week, titled 'Revenge'. I've ordered it already!

@antelopevalley not getting into an argument however I live fairly near and Harry has been seen in the past and a friend saw Cressida arriving at Aberdeen airport one summer whilst they were dating .
Virtually all the royals visit Balmoral whilst HM is there but very few photos ever emerge.

@Readinginthesun I did not comment on whether Harry has been to Balmoral as an adult. Since they have large family gatherings there it would not be surprising.
I am very surprised that anyone who was not staff sees which members of the Royal family are at Aberdeen airport.
But I do not really care about this. It is irrelevant to the issue that this is not a real invitation. A real invitation is not issued by the Queen through the media.

I did not comment on whether Harry has been to Balmoral as an adult. Since they have large family gatherings there it would not be surprising.

That's literally what you did though.

I don’t think it’s a real invitation either .
Several years ago I saw Princess Anne arrive at Aberdeen airport and she was seen at church a couple of days later . I am not staff !

@P205 thank you - I was beginning to think I had lost the plot !

I would go, I hope they do. with very elderly relatives you never know when will be the last time you get to spend quality time with them. I lost my grandmother during covid - I hadn't seen her for a long time due to lockdown and feel like I did miss out, FaceTime isn't the same.

Balmoral with all the fresh air and away from the media glare would be lovely for the children.

@HinchcliffeandMurgatroyd

Really hate seeing anyone questioned about their own description of their own skin, Hinch. It’s wretched and you shouldn’t have to respond.

@p205 I did not. I commented on whether Cressida had been there.

@shedwithivy There is no invitation. The press are making it up. On what planet does the Queen invite her grandchild and family through the media?
When they did visit, the press knew nothing about it until afterwards.

We can read your posts. 🤷🏼‍♀️

I would be astonished if they went. Harry never went before he met Meghan so I don’t think it’s his bag either.

Wasn’t that posted by @KatharineofAragon

That's just complete lies though, isn't it?

Apart from toxic grifter Markles and this random speaking engagement booker person, name one person who has been "disappeared" out of Meghan's life?

She's still got the same close friendship group she's had for decades (the tight group of college / early acting career friends who attended the wedding and Archie's baby shower). None of her actual friends have been dumped.

She's still close to the cast and crew of Suits. None of them have been dumped.

In fact, no one.

Not by me. You are mixing up posters and calling me a liar.

That's just complete lies though, isn't it?

Are you Meghan? Obviously not. In which case you cannot possibly determine that anything to do with her is a "complete lie" can you? You can certainly argue against assertions made but you can't know anymore than anyone else, who isn't her or in her close circle.

In my opinion many people speak of being dropped by Meghan, enough to allow me to form the opinion that this is a trait of hers.

Gina Nelthorpe Cowne isn't an acting agent, she runs or ran a small company that organises public speaking engagements. It's very common for actors to sign with agencies that handle specialised gigs in addition to their main acting agent. For example acting agents don't generally handle voice-over work, so most famous actors and even tons of non-famous actors are with a main agent for acting, and a separate "voice agent" just for voiceover work. Lots of actors and other celebs are with speaking engagement agencies as well. If they also write, they might also have a literary agent. It's not uncommon for celebs to have 3-4 different agencies all handling different specific parts of their careers.

Meghan signed up to the speaking engagement company that Gina Nelthorpe Cowne ran, and apparently they met a couple of times. No one really knows how many times they'd actually met and if it was more than once or twice. Gina Nelthorpe Cowne is based in the UK and isn't an acting agent so it's unlikely that she knew Meghan well.

The minute Meghan started dating Harry, Gina immediately ran to the tabloids to sell her out and sell stories, and misrepresented herself as "Meghan's agent" when she wasn't. She changed her entire Public Speaking website to be all about Meghan and really exploited her connection to Meghan (I visited it once and she'd covered the entire site in clipart gifs of Corgis, crowns and little animations of Tower Bridge, clearly not a large or a professional company).

Meghan can hardly be held to blame for "ghosting" someone she barely knew, who sold her out to the press and lied about being her agent.

Meghan's actual acting agent (who she was represented by since before she landed the role on Suits) was the very prestigious LA-based Gersch Agency. Her actual agent has never spoken publicly about her and reportedly they're still on good terms and he still works for her "in an advisory capacity."

Well this headline had me choking on my tea so I had to share it.
I make no comment on the content except to say I suspect the Daily Mail is enjoying a little word play with the word "pants" which has a different meaning in the U.K. and the USA.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11043563/Stripper-claims-Prince-Harry-gave-pants-night-Las-Vegas-auctioning-off.html

Then it should be easy for you to name them, shouldn't it? Not people she met once, but people she was actual close friends with, who have publicly claimed to have been ditched since she met Harry.

She's still close friends with the large close friendship group she's had for decades, and still friends with the cast and crew of Suits. So clearly it is objectively total lies to claim she's vanished "everyone."

The only people who have publicly complained about her "ditching" them are either the Markle relatives, or people who met her a couple of times and tried to exploit her to make money.

Oh, okay, there was that one woman who claimed to have been close friends with her when they were young, who ended her friendship with Meghan because she was upset that Meghan and her husband decided to divorce. Fair enough, I forgot about her. But that 'friendship breakup' happened long before Meghan met Harry, and the other woman initiated it. If you read her interviews (the fact she's sold so many interviews makes her motives highly questionable) she comes across as weirdly obsessed with Meghan's first husband!

@antelopevalley That’s what I said. It was @KatharineofAragon not you

Article in Tatler naming her friends.
www.tatler.com/gallery/who-are-meghan-markles-friends

Googled and found this list of Meghan's core friendship group. Everyone on the list attended the wedding.

If LondonWolf wants us to believe that assertion that Meghan has vanished "everyone" she knew with pre-Harry then she needs to prove that Meghan is no longer friends with any of the people on this list, otherwise unfortunately it does rather prove that LondonWolf is making up porkies.

*Benita Litt (MM's best friend since college, MM is godmother to her kids, she sat next to Doria at the wedding, and her two daughters were H&M's bridesmaids)

*Genevieve Hillis (friends since college, she co-hosted MM's baby shower)

*Lindsay Roth (friends since college, they "met in a Toni Morrison literature class")

*Daniel Martin (a makeup arist who met Meghan in 2008 when she was a struggling actress, he did her makeup for the wedding)

*Heather Dorak (friends since she was first a struggling actress in LA)

*Abigail Spencer (met at an audition when they were both starting out as struggling actresses. They later worked on Suits together but they were friends before that)

*Janina Gavankar (friends for more than "fifteen years" per MM's old instagram posts, they met when they were both struggling actresses)

*Serena Williams (friends for 12 years, met at a charity benefit, she co-hosted the baby shower)

Of course the list doesn't include the cast and crew of Suits, who she appears to still be on good terms with and many of whom have publicly defended and praised her on Twitter or in the press, or her longtime acting agent.

She's still close friends with the large close friendship group she's had for decades, and still friends with the cast and crew of Suits. So clearly it is objectively total lies to claim she's vanished "everyone."

Where is your proof? Or are you just reading the same tweets and reports everyone else is? And forming your own opinions of them. No one knows who places such stories, without in depth research and often know how of the PR industry works. The only time we can know is when those speaking of her overtly express that they do not have good will towards her - eg the author of this book.

Quite honestly I think Meghan probably had the best of intentions when she married H. I don't think she's any kind of super villain but I do think she thought she could steer the ship exactly how she wanted to once she was in because she always had been able to in her career and relationships. I think her ambition is her ruler and the culture shock of the BRF and the weight of it was an immovable force that made her feel very unhappy and trapped, along with Harry who had already been feeling this for years. So they got out. The only issue I have with them is the drubbing they gave the BRF on Oprah, and the constant whining since.

I do not claim any of this as fact and I do not expect you to explain any of your opinions to me or try to prove me wrong. You're clearly extremely invested in this but I am just here for an interesting discussion so forgive me if I don't engage as intensively as you or meet your demands for explanations or sources 😊

I do find it interesting that the M supporters become so angry and intense when they're not agreed with though.

Have any of the friends listed ( or indeed any friends) publicly criticised Bower’s book ?

If LondonWolf wants us to believe that assertion that Meghan has vanished "everyone" she knew with pre-Harry then she needs to prove that Meghan is no longer friends with any of the people on this list, otherwise unfortunately it does rather prove that LondonWolf is making up porkies.

I don't want you to believe anything. I couldn't care less what you or anyone else on this thread believes - see my last post. I don't need to prove anything because I don't care what anyone else thinks. That's the difference between you and me, this for me is an entertaining and interesting discussion. For you, it seems to be much more...

Does anyone know what happened to Jessica Mulroney? Are they still friends?

Ah that old chestnut "anyone who calls out my lies is OBSESSED and ANGRY!!!" Haven't seen that one dragged out in, ohh, at least a day? Like a broken clock, you lot.

You claimed: "pretty much everyone pre Harry has been "disappeared" out of M's life."

That's a very strong allegation to make, and the burden of proof is on you to prove your allegation. I asked you to provide one single name of someone who Meghan has had "disappeared" (such dramatic, Mafiaosa-style language!) and oh look your tactic is to hurl insults at me instead.

There's not a tiny jot of evidence to suggest that Meghan isn't still friends with her friendship group of decades (they all came to the wedding and baby shower), and the only people who have claimed to have been "ditched" by her are either Markles, or people she met a couple of times or even once who sold her out to the tabloids.

Facts trump opinions.

Ah that old chestnut "anyone who calls out my lies is OBSESSED and ANGRY!!!" Haven't seen that one dragged out in, ohh, at least a day? Like a broken clock, you lot.

You do seem very intense though, passionate if you like, what with demanding proof and accusing people of complete lies and porkies and telling other posters they must provide proof. I don't think it's offensive to make such observations and in my opinion, this intensity does seem to be more the remit of the pro M posters 🤷🏼‍♀️

Anyway as ever this is my opinion only and you are free to take it or leave it