Prince Archie and Princess Lilibet

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Do you think Prince Charles will bestow titles on Harry's children when he becomes king?

I think that's right.
I thought the heir to the throne usually becomes the prince of Wales but that it's not an automatic succession.
I think it's very unlikely that William won't be, though.

What amazes me is how many people seem to think that Diana was the only PoW ever and it was somehow a special title just for her.
You get headlines in the tabloids saying "Kate to get Di's title!"

Beside, it's Camilla's title now; she just doesn't use it.

I thought it was, will be interesting to see if it happens.

God love Kate, I'm sure she is dreading the Princess of Wales, even more comparisons with Diana stuff.

Yes, the spotty dress worn to Ascot being a prime example, such nonsense.

Absolutely. No other woman has ever worn polka dots.

am I the only one who thinks H and M will want Archie and Lilibet to be Prince and Princess ?

Oops. Would be interesting if he became Queen!!

Prince of Wales isn’t automatic. Charles wasn’t given it until 1958.

They changed the rules for Williams children as only his eldest son was entitled to be a prince on birth. As they had changed the rules so daughters don't get bumped down the pecking order, if Williams oldest had been a girl she would of been the future queen but not entitled to be princess and her younger brother would of been prince, so they fixed it. It was nothing to do with Harry who he would go on to marry or their children.

What amazes me is how many people seem to think that Diana was the only PoW ever and it was somehow a special title just for her.
You get headlines in the tabloids saying "Kate to get Di's title!"

I think that’s just because of how long it was since there was a Princess of Wales previously.

Due to sexism the current Queen couldn’t have the Wales title, Edward VIII didn’t have a wife when he was PoW so the last Princess of Wales was Mary, who became Queen Mary in 1910. So for most people Diana is the only Princess of Wales they’ve known.

Yes but that's because of how young he was. It will be interesting to see what happens this time. Will they do it before the coronation so that it's done and dusted, or leave it a couple of years after. Can't be so close to the coronation that it pulls focus, but they're clearly conscious that William's rein will be longer so will want to shore up his image as next in line.

Due to sexism the current Queen couldn’t have the Wales title

Welsh politicians were keen for Princess Elizabeth to be named Princess of Wales after her father George VI become King but he said no!

It’s one of those weird titles, in that you think there would have been loads of Princesses of Wales, but actually very few - I think many Kings didn’t get married until after they became King?

I'm sure they'll be entitled to use those titles when Charles is King, and I'd be very pleasantly surprised if H&M didn't use them!

Even George V had to wait 9 years to become Prince of Wales.

charles’ investiture was even later in 1969.

it’s just done on the whim on the monarch.

The hierarchy of duke/duchess vs Prince/princess feels inconsistent to me.

-H&M in a tizzy that their children aren't price/princess (but they will be in future and if the Queen hadn't lived so long they possibly would have been from birth) and Archie can, AFAIK, inherit the Duke of Sussex title. So more impetus placed on Prince/cess

-However with the Kents, the eldest is the Prince Edward, the Duke of Kent, always referred to as the Duke of Kent and his younger siblings are 'merely' Prince and princess.
So to me, that seems like the Dukedom is the more important?

But the rules to be a Prince/cess are strict yet Dukedoms can just be dished out upon marriage. I don't follow the logic (if there is any).

There has been very few.

George V had Mary. Edward VII had Alexandra. Caroline of Brunswick.

Then beyond that I only know of Princess Augusta who was PoW, but never became Queen as she was widowed.

i think you must mean Meghan choosing not to use Princess Henry. She is not, and will never be entitled to Princess Meghan.

I prefer the Norwegian way for handling the titles in the line of succession. Only those in the direct line (currently the King's son Prince Haakon and his daughter Princess Ingrid) are styled as Royal Highness. Siblings of those in the line of succession, but who aren't in the line of succession themselves are styled Highness only and entitled to Prince(ss) titles but their children aren't entitled to any titles.

In our Royal Family that means we would have HRH Princes Charles, William, and George (all of whose children would be styled Prince or Princess). Then there would also be HH Prince Andrew, Edward, Harry and Louis, and HH Princesses Anne and Charlotte - none of whose children would pass on titles. That keeps the monarchy streamlined which I think it needs to be to survive. I can't see the point in Harry, Charlotte or Louis' children having royal styles when they will be as irrelevant to the family as Beatrice and Eugenie.

Keeping the titles in the direct line is by far the most sensible decision and one I can see Charles making quickly. I can't see that happening before the Queen dies and whether Harry and Meghan choose to style Archie and Lili as prince and princess remains to be seen. There is precedence from Louise and James not to, as well as the general negative attitude to Beatrice and Eugenie from the general population, as well as lack of appetite in the royal family to have them as working royals.

I can't see the point in Harry, Charlotte or Louis' children having royal styles when they will be as irrelevant to the family as Beatrice and Eugenie.

Charlotte’s children, as it stands, won’t have titles. They will be in the same position as Princess Anne’s children.

and as the Queen’s children before her father issues special Letters Patent.

only George and Louis children will be automatically entitled to titles when William is King.

I don’t think there will be any grand push to change the LP’s as they stand.

Charles only has two children so the number of grandchildren will be limited.

Harry’s children can’t pass on any Prince or Princess titles. Charlotte can’t pass on any title to her children. So only the children of George and Louis will gain titles from William being King. And the Louis children won’t be able to pass them on.

When you consider how many children gained titles from being grandchildren of George V it’s much much more streamlined now because of how it slims down.

I actually deleted part of my post, because I thought it was getting too long, that part of the reason to streamline would be in the interest of equality. I'm not old enough to remember the attitude to Anne's children being ineligible for titles but Andrew's daughter's being princesses, but in the 21st century that kind of overt sexism of a male line preference really doesn't sit right. I can only see attitudes shifting further in that direction which leaves the option of adding eligibility for Charlotte's future children to have titles or removing that option for Louis' future children. With all Charles has said about streamlining the monarchy the second option seems more likely.

Is Catherine likely to use the Princess of Wales title, or will she stick with Duchess of Something?

Yes, that's a typo - I meant to write Princess Henry.

Sorry, genuine mistake on my part.

If William becomes Prince of Wales she’ll use that I expect. There’s no point in giving it if it’s not used.

Before that she’ll be the Duchess of Cornwall & Cambridge

I think they'll be the Prince and Princess of Wales, because I simply can't see any reason why they wouldn't

She'd be ka Duchess Of Cornwall otherwise (as that's the more senior dukedom of the two that William would hold at that point)

I don't know, but given Charles's age and lack of popularity I suspect that William and Kate front and centre as Prince and Princess of Wales is key to plans for maintaining the monarchy's support post Elizabeth.

Oh for sure.

K will be POW. The only reason Camilla doesn’t use the title is because of the rather awkward history.