Prince Archie and Princess Lilibet

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Do you think Prince Charles will bestow titles on Harry's children when he becomes king?

Good points, @Luredbyapomegranate .

Sorry, wrong quote!
Anyway, @Samcro , they will be prince and princess. It's their right.

I don’t think he’ll take the titles away. He’ll want to have a smooth and un-controversial takeover.

Any LPs he issues will generally be a “from here forward” thing. Rather than a retrospective thing.

Thr change to the titles of William’s children was done because of the change to the primogeniture law. It was done purely to avoid the situation where a female child was the future Queen, but titled as Lady with a younger brother being HRH Prince. They didn’t want to risk the chance of being seen as sexist.

Interestingly though the LP just gave the titles to all of William’s future children, rather than changing the LP’s from 1917. That would have been the chance to change it all going forward and is the reason I firmly believe Charles planned for all of his future grandchildren to be titled when he is King. Whilst he couldn’t have foresaw what has happened with Harry it is a clear indication, IMO, that at that point he wanted all grandchildren from Harry to be automatically titled when he becomes king.

It should be remember though that Louise and James have their titles, they just don’t use them.

sophie made it very clear in recent interviews that decision not to use them was made for the children when they married, but as adults they have the choice. They simply use different titles, as a Camilla does.

They haven’t had titles removed so if Charles does change it then it will be the first.

After all, the late Princess of Wales wasn't actually "Princess Diana"; she was Diana, Princess of Wales or Princess Charles.

Only after divorce. When married to Charles she was HRH the Princess of Wales. I don't think she was ever 'Princess Charles' was she? The rather quaint royal tradition is that women take the female version of their husband's titles, and Charles is Charles, Prince of Wales, not Prince Charles, even if the public often call him that. So Diana, as his wife, was Princess of Wales.

@Maireas President Princess Lilbet 😂 love it.

Lili & Archie could both run for US President and UK Prime Minister.

Just imagine Prime Minister Lilibet Mountbatten- Windsor meeting King William V aka known as Uncle Will or King George VIIII aka known as Cousin George every Wednesday to discuss business

@JustLyra

It wasn't Charles who changed the LP for William's kids though, it was the Queen. She does not like change - she would have accepted female succession because obviously that had to change for the RF's survival - but she wouldn't have seen a need to do more. (This is a woman who didn't dump presentations at court, even though she was advised to, until, as Princess M said, 'every tart in London was getting in'.)

If there was going to be a big fuss, I'd agree with you Charles wouldn't do it, but there won't be, because H&M won't adopt the titles, so it won't feel like anything is being taken and they be gentle mutterings about modernisation and nothing to see here tra la la..

I think A and L will be offered Prince and Princess but presumably they can't pass on the title to their children because their children won't be grandchildren of the monarch.

She was always Princess Charles (hmm, maybe not after divorce) she just didn't use that title because, let's face it, who would.

I don't think she was ever 'Princess Charles' was she?

She was, she just chose not be styled that way. Same as Kate choosing not to use "Princess William" and Meghan choosing not to use "Princess Meghan" but all three women held those titles and could have used them if they'd chosen to.

I know it was the Queen, but that was the time for her, Charles and William to plan for the future.

if they had wanted big changes then it would have been the time to make them.

There will be a big fuss about titles being removed imo. Charles isn’t as popular as his mother and he won’t risk.

Charles is HRH The Prince Charles. So Diana was HRH The Princess Charles

That's right.

Archie can pass on the dukedom but not the ‘Prince’.

I thought the point was that the rules were changed so that all of William's children would be princes and princesses from birth. Before the change, only George would've been a prince, and Charlotte and Louis would've had to wait until Charles was King.

As has been explained above, the change was made because if Charlotte had been born first, she would have been next in line to the throne, but still styled as the 'Lady Charlotte', while her younger brother, whom she outranked, would have been 'Prince George'. That potentially awkward situation wouldn't apply to Harry's children, who are not in direct line.

The same change wasn't made for Harry's children (and I'm not saying I disagree with that, it probably was the right call), and then the lack of title (which was a choice) was linked to provision of security. Even though security should be provided according to need rather than title

Security is provided according to need rather than title.

The notion that being a prince automatically means round the clock police security is sheer nonsense. At least one of the queen's own children, Prince Edward, does not get full police protection.

The notion that being a prince automatically means round the clock police security is sheer nonsense. At least one of the queen's own children, Prince Edward, does not get full police protection.

And of course Archie would have been protected via his parents until he was 18, had his parents remained working royals. They wanted the security and the titles, but not the job.

They won’t be offered - they’ll be automatically granted. The only choice will be the useage.

As soon as the Queen dies Charles becomes HM The Queen, Camilla becomes HM The Queen, William becomes HRH The Prince William, Duke of Cornwall & Cambridge (not 100% sure the order they’ll go in, I think Cornwall first as it’s more senior), Harry becomes HRH The Prince Henry, Duke of Sussex, and all of Charles’ grandchildren (and any born in future, even after his death if that happened) become HRH Prince or Princess.

Archie will inherit Harry’s Sussex, Dumbarton and other title that I can’t remember and will pass that to his children. They won’t be able to pass on the HRH or Prince/Princess titles.

I suppose it is possible that HMQ could issue new LPs changing the existing protocols?

Hi Maireas! I agree that Archie and Lily will automatically become Prince and Princess once Charles accedes, it’s just their parents are going to have to make a choice to officially use those titles. It’s like Meghan and Harry’s HRH status - they hold it but don’t use it. If Meghan and Harry do decide they want to use them, they will presumably need to make some kind of statement about it.

Also, Archie at least is not suffering from a lack of status, since he’ll eventually inherit the title of Duke, the highest rank in the British peerage. Lilibet is already Lady Lilibet, even if her parents don’t use it.

That's very true, Serenster.

I very much doubt it. That would be preempting Charles' reign.

As soon as the Queen dies Charles becomes HM The Queen, Camilla becomes HM The Queen, William becomes HRH The Prince William, Duke of Cornwall & Cambridge

Um I think Charles will become HM The King (unless he's having a sex change?) @JustLyra .

Also doesn't William become Prince of Wales once Charles is King?

Also doesn't William become Prince of Wales once Charles is King?

I don't think it's automatic.

No I don't think so either. I don't know how long they'll leave it though. God love Kate, I'm sure she is dreading the Princess of Wales, even more comparisons with Diana stuff.