Prince Archie and Princess Lilibet

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Do you think Prince Charles will bestow titles on Harry's children when he becomes king?

"H&M" have shown themselves to have a, shall we say, complicated relationship with the truth. So what they said doesn't factor into my arguments.

No they shouldn't as they live in the USA and the USA doesn't have a monarchy.

The paragraphs on Sussex Royal do not at any point, go into details of why they were leaving. It is just that, a few lines of paragraph, giving a few points of the way forward.

They absolutely did. I’m not talking about the couple of paragraphs they realeased on instagram, but the whole manifesto released simultaneously on their website. There was a whole section, titled “Why are The Duke and Duchess of Sussex choosing this new working model?” The answer - they want to be able to earn money.

Why are The Duke and Duchess of Sussex choosing this new working model?

The Duke and Duchess of Sussex take great pride in their work and are committed to continuing their charitable endeavours as well as establishing new ones. In addition, they value the ability to earn a professional income, which in the current structure they are prohibited from doing. For this reason they have made the choice to become members of the Royal Family with financial independence. Their Royal Highnesses feel this new approach will enable them to continue to carry out their duties for Her Majesty The Queen, while having the future financial autonomy to work externally. While the contribution from The Sovereign Grant covers just five percent of costs for The Duke and Duchess and is specifically used for their official office expense, Their Royal Highnesses prefer to release this financial tie.

As you say in the title, why this model.

Not :

Why did they leave their old roles and the palace, what was wrong in those role and prompts them to leave. Why would they want to release their financial ties.

This paragraph does not go into any detail about anything.

Why did they leave their old roles and the palace, what was wrong in those role and prompts them to leave.

The fact that they couldn't cash in on their royal status while still maintaining almost all the benefits of same. It's right there in front of you. Straight from the horse's mouth.

That's if you choose to see it, of course.

In addition, they value the ability to earn a professional income, which in the current structure they are prohibited from doing. For this reason they have made the choice to become members of the Royal Family with financial independence.

Why did they leave their old roles and the palace, what was wrong in those role and prompts them to leave

Well, they didn’t want to leave the institution. Not in the slightest. They made it quite clear that:

The Duke and Duchess of Sussex deeply believe in the role of The Monarchy, and their commitment to Her Majesty The Queen is unwavering. Their roles will continue to reflect their sense of duty and allegiance to The Monarch and her legacy in the world, as they transition into the new working model. As they move to become members of the Royal Family, with financial independence, their commitment to The Monarch is resolute, and they aim to continue to fly the flag for Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II, as called upon.

Nope, they did not want to leave. They said that a thousand times. Even in the video Harry repeats it.

As I said before, they were not given the choice really.

As they said before, others in the RF have done this half in model with no issues. Once more, the different treatment specifically for them.

We’ve already talked in the thread about the numerous and deeply embarrassing issues that Sophie and Edward had encountered when they had tried this model 20 years earlier. So I don’t see how you can even suggest that. The Wessexes had to give up and accept fully in.

Meghan and Harry weren’t prepared to do that, so chose fully out. Unhappily. And then proceeded to spin the line that completely ignored the manifesto they themselves published in January, and asked us to believe that they had to flee the toxic environment.

As I said, I read what they said then, and what they said and did subsequently, and drew my own conclusions about them.

Sophie and Edward was decades ago, with Sophie getting caught in a certain situation where she was unfortunately tricked, but did something wrong never the less. Edward was in a business that has since evolved, and at that time he knew nothing of. Things have long changed now.

H&M are totally different, at a different time.

The recently 'retired' Kents and other cousins have been doing the half in half out model for years. Helping the queen, while doing other paid work (some in the 'royalty' field). Even Andrew's children have/had what had been stated as 'royal' patronages.

As they said before, others in the RF have done this half in model with no issues. Once more, the different treatment specifically for them

Or, the proposed intentions were deeply alarming, as in "We want to earn money and we want to do it via chat shows and Kardashian-style programmes", or, entirely unknown - "We want to earn money, but we are not going to tell you how". Given what came next, it would appear that RF made the right call.

I don't really understand why Sophie and Edward want to use titles for their children but go with the lesser of their titles, Lady & Viscount instead of Prince and Princess. What is the logic of that?

Much reduced status. Far less pressure, not so much in the public eye.

Harry and Meghan could earn money and have new titles if they worked in a circus as clowns. It would suit them perfectly.

So could the rest of the royal family.

Oh, I don't know. William is growing on me. He's very droll. Have just been laughing at his response to the unveiling of the huge portrait of him and Kate - "It's quite big".

Considering we cannot say anything bad about William as the whole thread may be zapped, I suggest we don't shoehorn him personally on any of these threads.

why can't we (not that I want to) say anything bad about him, one a thread that has some horrid unfounded stuff about PH &M

H&M are fair game. You can treat MM like something at the bottom of your shoe and call her all sorts of names.

Something I have not seen in ages here on mumsnet, but a thread that went on for ages, disparaging H&M, had some less than flattering couple of posts pointing out negatives about William and it was zapped within a half hour.

noanotheroneagain
Agreed. The Royal Family circus would make a great show indeed!
Roll up, roll up!

@Maireas then I don't get why Prince Edward's dc use titles at all if they want to be less in the public eye. Why not be like Princess Anne's dc?

H&M are fair game. You can treat MM like something at the bottom of your shoe and call her all sorts of names

But what if people genuinely don't like some of the things that she and H do in the same way that they don't like some of the things that Edward does, or Kate, or Fergie, or all of what Andrew does?

Point it out in a non confrontational way with an explanation why? No calling them clowns in a circus for instance?

They have been called the most vile names disgusting insults, to try and make a point. Not worth the paper it's written on if posters can only resort to nastiness.

i have always been surprised that threads that are full of nasty stuff about H&M are allowed to stand, yet a thread about Jordan and her law breaking for instance was zapped.
strange.
of course we can say stuff about PW or Kate.....if not that would mean mnhq are biased or not following their won rules.

I think it's because their father is an Earl, so they're using courtesy titles.
Mark Phillips was not any kind of title.

Sorry, had not any kind of title.