Andrew, The Abbey, Fergie and The Fraudster

[CathyorClaire]

Last thread closed so I thought I'd amalagamate the latest antics for further discussion.

Also wanted to reply to this post near the end:

Perhaps the opportunity to contribute via cleaning jobs will soon arise for them, perhaps even faster than Andrew imagines, if he is up to knowing how to turn on a vacuum that is

He allegedly sent for a maid to climb four sets of stairs to close his curtains. I think he'd struggle with a vacuum

Off to read up on the entirely unsurprising reports on links to the fraudster.

@Roussette

Two years ago no one went covid, last year was greatly reduced numbers PA should not be poncing about the place with royal privilege

Yes, and in the few years before that, the Queen arrived by limo

It's limo for the State Opening of Parliament now as well, isn't it?

Maybe she did, I can't remember but I think there are still carriages for the other royals, must look it up

I think you're muddling it up with Royal Ascot, which is where they have the multi-Royal carriage parade

The Epsom Derby is forming part of the Platinum celebrations and it seems that the Queen wants Andrew involved in it.

@Roussette

You say victim We read victim

How strange to then tell someone to 'brush up on their reading skills' for reading victim

Don’t be disingenuous Roussette. You read it in exactly the way it was written and intended or you’d have picked up on it.

Anyway it’s not worth arguing about, is it? God knows there’s enough shit about the York family to discuss.

Me disingenuous???? 😂

I have no idea on this anymore and don't understand your point so yes, let's just leave it 👍

Edith quite likely which is quite appalling having been to both more than once but I do have covidbrain so I'm excused!

If things don't change on the death of the Queen I can imagine there are going to be a lot of things said which will make it near impossible for Charles

For me that ties in with your post about the tide turning. We all realise the Queen's days are limited, and after the coronation carry on I expect things to be very different for Charles media-wise (though admittedly some of it's probably wishful thinking)

Someone mentioned the RF "serving", and while that's the theory it looks more to me like various members grabbing what they can while they can - in fact it reminds me of how the Russian oligarchs behaved as communism died

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/apr/02/naive-or-blinded-by-affection-either-way-time-queen-hung-up-her-crown?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=news_tab

It really is an insult to the public's intelligence, if I show them enough times how I choose to ignore his wrong doings, the plebs will forgive and forget.

It gets worse.... here

PA was introduced to the fraudster by a Libyan gun smuggler and both the gun smuggler and the fraudster have stayed in Frogmore house. (picture in article)
(note.... not Frogmore Cottage, the smaller place that M&H had... but Frogmore HOUSE)

Kaituni (the gun smuggler) was invited to Princess Beatrice‘s 21st birthday party in Spain in August 2009, where he also gave her a diamond pendant worth £18,000, and attended the wedding of Princess Eugenie in 2018.

Kaituni, who has US citizenship, would later brag of his influence over the Duke of York, and helped set up secret meetings with Libyan dictator, Colonel Muammar Gaddafi.

All this has been reported in the Telegraph but it's behind a paywall, hence my link

Shocking

It is shocking and sort of sad that he invites these sort of people into his daughter's world. Mind you, he clearly has no conscience so 🤷‍♀️

Prince Charles has been saying for a long tine that he wanted a slimmed down 'family' of working Royals.

Yes, he'll have to sort out a proper (unobtrusive) retirement for Andrew. And will want to plan for the Cambridge DC to have time to go to university and have maybe a few years after before they're trapped into the family firm

So he'll have to keep going with the Princess Royal, the Wessexes and the Cambridges - each working more as 5 individuals rather than 3 units. Plus his Consort.

Others may have a few patronages that are a particularly good fit (like Princess Eugenie and the scoliosis charity, or Tindalls and sports) but that'll not be much.

Charities may have to find other patrons. Regiments and other military units might get Dukes rather than royalty.

We'll need to see it happening within a year or so of his accession?

As mentioned upthread it's not that beneficial to have a royal patronage for charities and does the military need a royal Colonel in Chief (or whatever they're called)?

And I also think what will be needed in future should the monarchy survive, is much greater clarity and transparency over which assets are personal, which belong to the Crown Estates, and about the income and assets of the two duchies of Lancaster and Cornwall and the Sovereign Grant; as there is quite a blurred picture currently:

[[https://historyofyesterday.com/unlock-the-secret-behind-the-unending-wealth-of-british-royals-2cde4d7008c][

Sorry, I'll try that link again:

historyofyesterday.com/unlock-the-secret-behind-the-unending-wealth-of-british-royals-2cde4d7008c

It's interesting. They own Ascot racecourse for instance, and a Tesco in Milton Keynes, Hyde Park, Regent street, Trafalgar Square and most of the sea beds around the UK
It's all very convoluted isn't it

@Vapeyvapevape

As mentioned upthread it's not that beneficial to have a royal patronage for charities and does the military need a royal Colonel in Chief (or whatever they're called)?

Yes, regiments need Royal colonels in chief. Army officers take their vow of allegiance to the monarch very seriously. It matters to them. A Royal colonel in chief is inherent in that contract.

@Blossomtoes That's fair enough , I have huge respect for our military, the RF not so much!

Army officers take their vow of allegiance to the monarch very seriously. It matters to them. A Royal colonel in chief is inherent in that contract

You're right of course, so best hope HM doesn't start expressing that "her dearest wish" would be for them to have Andrew back

Sorry, I should have added that I mean having Andrew back as some kind of chief so he can ponce round in a uniform again, not that he'd go back as a serving member

My bloke regularly reads the Army Rumour Service - kind of a military MN. He tells me that Andrew is as popular there as he is on this thread. I imagine there would be some pretty robust refusals if that were mooted.

Hopefully, the justified rage of the armed forces for having had to swear allegiance and lay down their lives for that scummy family will be a thousand times greater than ours.

The sooner the word Kingdom is taken out of the country's name, the quicker these officers can start redefining their personal values. Unless of course they share the values of the Windsors, in which case there is no hope for them.

The Duke's prominent role in last week's event was said to have left Princes Charles and William 'dismayed'.

Dismayed, saddened… would be so great if the Palace for once said furious. Even better - fucking furious.

The Queen’s championing of Andrew is foolish. She needs to stop

[quote Youvebeengonesolong]Sorry, I'll try that link again:

historyofyesterday.com/unlock-the-secret-behind-the-unending-wealth-of-british-royals-2cde4d7008c[/quote]
It's a good link but it leaves out the many decades of tax exemptions
and breaks they've enjoyed (and indeed still do- see queen getting the tax bill on shooting at Balmoral reduced to less than the level paid by local businesses just last summer) and the huge advantage of monarch to monarch bequests being made free of inheritance tax.