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The royal family

Andrew, The Abbey, Fergie and The Fraudster

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CathyorClaire · 01/04/2022 11:19

Last thread closed so I thought I'd amalagamate the latest antics for further discussion.

Also wanted to reply to this post near the end:

Perhaps the opportunity to contribute via cleaning jobs will soon arise for them, perhaps even faster than Andrew imagines, if he is up to knowing how to turn on a vacuum that is

He allegedly sent for a maid to climb four sets of stairs to close his curtains. I think he'd struggle with a vacuum Grin

Off to read up on the entirely unsurprising reports on links to the fraudster.

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CathyorClaire · 05/04/2022 16:18

*It’s all shades of the same thing.

Monetisation of royal prestige*

Yep.

Even the sainted Zara gets at it then lies:

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7342503/Queens-granddaughter-paid-advise-introduce-contacts-Hong-Kong-businessman.html

And oh, look. There's Fergie at the trough again too.

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Thoosa · 05/04/2022 16:48

Even the sainted Zara gets at it then lies:

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7342503/Queens-granddaughter-paid-advise-introduce-contacts-Hong-Kong-businessman.html

And oh, look. There's Fergie at the trough again too.

Let’s do an experiment.

We’ll all ring this Johnny Hon chap and see what kind of deal we can cut.

That should settle it. Smile

I used to feel theoretically republican but fairly benign towards them all as people. Now I feel that most of them are active cons. It’s embarrassing to be governed by such a shower of corruption and kickbacks.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 05/04/2022 16:55

They are all rotten. They are all selling a non-product. Because they’ve all been raised (or wed) to expect things to fall into their laps

While I agree, it's actually even worse than that, because as we keep seeing they're selling access - whether that's to each other, an honour, a passport or whatever

And does even the most avid monarchist really believe all the flannel about "It's for charity"?

Puzzledandpissedoff · 05/04/2022 17:05

"When the Mail first approached Mrs Tindall over the claims earlier this year a lawyer acting on her behalf said it was 'wholly untrue' she was a non-executive director of Dr Hon's Global Group"

"It was only when the Mail provided documentary evidence of the £100,000-a-year contract between her and Dr Hon's firm that they accepted that she had indeed held that role"

I hate to quote the Mail, but this irritates me as well - what the hell's the point of lying when the proof is out there? Even I could find who's a director of what, so do they really imagine it would be beyond journalists who are experienced at digging?

It's really starting to look as if they just don't care how they look, and are gouging at the trough while they can

Thoosa · 05/04/2022 17:08

I hate to quote the Mail, but this irritates me as well - what the hell's the point of lying when the proof is out there? Even I could find who's a director of what, so do they really imagine it would be beyond journalists who are experienced at digging?

Helpful though because it demonstrates consciousness of guilt. If they thought it was a perfectly legitimate and reasonable thing to do, her people wouldn’t attempt to cover it up.

LittleBearPad · 05/04/2022 17:11

So I can see that she’s in a tenuous housing situation, comparatively speaking. If the Queen or wider family want to help her break away from the tawdry York business, they should help her find permanent housing.

She’s 32, married to a man with decent employment, employed herself (I believe unless she didn’t go back post-baby). She is educated. She can rent her own bloody house just like normal people do.

LittleBearPad · 05/04/2022 17:12

@Thoosa

I hate to quote the Mail, but this irritates me as well - what the hell's the point of lying when the proof is out there? Even I could find who's a director of what, so do they really imagine it would be beyond journalists who are experienced at digging?

Helpful though because it demonstrates consciousness of guilt. If they thought it was a perfectly legitimate and reasonable thing to do, her people wouldn’t attempt to cover it up.

It also proves how dim they are.
Puzzledandpissedoff · 05/04/2022 17:14

A very valid point, Thoosa, though my own irritation was more around them being stupid enough to even try when finding the facts would be the work of a moment

So that's the "bright and able" lie scotched as well ...

Thoosa · 05/04/2022 17:23

True! Grin

I do feel change in the air which is cheering me up.

Give them enough rope and all that.

Vapeyvapevape · 05/04/2022 17:42

There really needs to be a MN type of 'We're hiding the RF while we take a look behind the scenes ' and then mark them as banned.

AnastasiaRomanov · 05/04/2022 17:53

@Vapeyvapevape

There really needs to be a MN type of 'We're hiding the RF while we take a look behind the scenes ' and then mark them as banned.
🤣🤣
Serenster · 05/04/2022 18:18

@Puzzledandpissedoff

Serenster you see it on here - and in real life - quite often: suggestions that the Queen holds Boris to account / she safeguards our freedom / the monarchy saves us from tyranny and more, usually with something about "they cost only 67p a day / bring in through tourism more they cost" tacked on for good measure

And all of it indicating that the speaker has a rather loose grasp on reality Sad

Well, quite. Loads of opinions but tenuous knowledge of facts is a bit of a feature of these threads. To take some points here:

What the papers are reporting about this case are allegations made in witness statements filed in court by the parties, not proven facts. I would have thought posters would have recalled that witness statements are necessarily always truthful accounts Hmm.

The allegations made to date are not “undeniably money laundering”, as many are happily posting. The paying bank obviously didn’t think so, as they rang up the Palace to check the reason for the transaction. If they had thought it was a suspicious transaction they would not have taken this action, which could have been the criminal offence of tipping off.

It would also be a spectacularly stupid money laundering scheme - to give money as a gift to a known public figure. The whole point of laundering money is to re- introduce the dirty money back into your hands in a clean form. Giving it away as a gift kind of defeats that purpose.

It’s more likely to be an offence under the Bribery Act, in fact - the woman’s witness statement could be taken as an actual admission that she was intending to bribe Prince Andrew to get her a passport. I suspect that her account may change at some stage, given this! Quite how she thinks he would have managed that is anyone’s guess, meanwhile…

If anyone seriously thinks that the Palace staff are not very well aware of the Bribery Act and its implications, and don’t have any controls to protect themselves and the Royals, I have a bridge to sell you.

£750,000 as a gift for a wedding doesn’t sound unlikely to me in this kind of world. Read the evidence given in the fraud trial against Nigella Lawson/Charles Saatchi’s personal assistants, the Grillos, who were spending up to £100,000 a month on their employer’s credit cards just to pay for the Grillo’s personal expenses. They were also spending £1.2m a year on expenses for the Saatchi/Lawsons in addition, as part of their duties. They were only two of five PAs of the couple, and the others apparently spent more on personal expenses than the Grillos did. They were acquitted, by the way…

Everyone who thinks all these transactions are murky/dodgy/likely compromising - yes, I agree. The world of the super rich is very very murky. How on earth do you think other senior former royals are making their way in the world though?

Puzzledandpissedoff · 05/04/2022 18:19

@Vapeyvapevape

There really needs to be a MN type of 'We're hiding the RF while we take a look behind the scenes ' and then mark them as banned.
Nah, they'd just invent a new name and carry on ... after all they've done it before Wink
Quincunx · 05/04/2022 18:19

No worries they'll bring about their own downfall and then we'll be rid. Nonces, fraudsters, liars etc. always get greedy or complacent, or both. I've seen enough true crime to know that much.

LittleBearPad · 05/04/2022 18:21

@Quincunx

No worries they'll bring about their own downfall and then we'll be rid. Nonces, fraudsters, liars etc. always get greedy or complacent, or both. I've seen enough true crime to know that much.
Oh I think the ship has long since sailed on ‘getting’ greedy etc.
Roussette · 05/04/2022 19:05

£750,000 as a gift for a wedding doesn’t sound unlikely to me in this kind of world

It sounds very unlikely to me given the fraudster had won Pitch@Palace 9 days before to the shock of the other contestants. I linked above to an article about how the voting system seemed very dubious. Other contestants got votes in the hundreds, he got in the thousands for a banking app.
(the Co subsequently folded)

Quincunx · 05/04/2022 19:17

Oh I think the ship has long since sailed on ‘getting’ greedy etc.

Sure, they've done it all already, but do you really think all the skeletons are out of the closet?

Serenster · 05/04/2022 19:38

Roussette, The Guardian is reporting the the vote was based on a public online vote, and an audience vote from people present on the night. The allegation is that he was able to game the online vote by using bots to boost his vote (not that Andrew somehow manipulated a dual voting system to ensure he won, which sounds like you are insinuating).

Quincunx · 05/04/2022 19:53

It would also be a spectacularly stupid money laundering scheme

Well he is spectacularly stupid, let's face it.

The energy some people put into defending this bellend, unbelievable.

Roussette · 05/04/2022 19:55

We have no idea, do we Serenster?
How involved PA was or whatever... I can't give him the benefit of the doubt with all that's gone on.

LittleBearPad · 05/04/2022 20:15

@Quincunx

Oh I think the ship has long since sailed on ‘getting’ greedy etc.

Sure, they've done it all already, but do you really think all the skeletons are out of the closet?

To be honest, no.

I think there’s all sorts of crap due to come out. Especially when after the Queen dies

Merrymouse · 05/04/2022 20:20

If anyone seriously thinks that the Palace staff are not very well aware of the Bribery Act and its implications, and don’t have any controls to protect themselves and the Royals, I have a bridge to sell you.

So they are knowingly hiding bribery?

Merrymouse · 05/04/2022 20:21

Well he is spectacularly stupid, let's face it.

This is very well established.

Serenster · 05/04/2022 20:22

I’m not defending Andrew in the slightest. I just don’t see any point in grabbing the pitchforks and throwing massively defamatory allegations about all sorts of other people out all over the place just because he’s an idiot. These threads are all about the prejudice and not the facts in any event, so do carry on, I know precious few care about what I think! I just just feel compelled to point out that plenty of posters really aren’t commenting with any understanding of what might even be going on here. Grin

Quincunx · 05/04/2022 20:29

Defamatory allegations pmsl. The guy is a piece of shit from the same mould as Jeffrey Epstein.